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Postby Gig em Aggies » Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:25 am

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/th ... li=BBnb7Kz

Reports stated that a student gunman detonated an explosive filled with metal shrapnel and then stormed into the aftermath and started shooting at people fleeing the building after the explosion. The Kerch Polytechnic College is in the Black Sea city of Kerch. Russian and Crimean regional leaders stated that after the attack the gunman killed himself no motive as of yet. But I'm wondering if this has to do with Russia's invasion of Crimea years ago. As in like a some type of resistance movement to cause chaos in Crimea to push Russia out of the occupied Ukrainian territory.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:00 am

If it's an actual resistance attack and not some disaffected student trying to emulate American mass shooters then it kind of undermines the narrative was that the Crimea as a whole wanted to be reabsorbed by Mother Russia.
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Postby Page » Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:03 am

Petrasylvania wrote:If it's an actual resistance attack and not some disaffected student trying to emulate American mass shooters then it kind of undermines the narrative was that the Crimea as a whole wanted to be reabsorbed by Mother Russia.


Well of course the Crimea as a whole didn't want to be annexed, you're never going to find unanimous agreement from anyone about anything.
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Postby Chan Island » Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:04 am

A terrible tragedy. May the dead rest in peace. :(
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:05 am

Gig em Aggies wrote:https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-latest-russian-investigators-identify-crimea-gunman/ar-BBOv0BF?li=BBnb7Kz

Reports stated that a student gunman detonated an explosive filled with metal shrapnel and then stormed into the aftermath and started shooting at people fleeing the building after the explosion. The Kerch Polytechnic College is in the Black Sea city of Kerch. Russian and Crimean regional leaders stated that after the attack the gunman killed himself no motive as of yet. But I'm wondering if this has to do with Russia's invasion of Crimea years ago. As in like a some type of resistance movement to cause chaos in Crimea to push Russia out of the occupied Ukrainian territory.

That was my first thought, but we will have to wait and see.
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Postby Risottia » Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:28 am

One would expect "resistance movements" to attack targets such as police forces, military or governmental officials, not college students. That's what terrorists and mass murderers do.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:30 am

Risottia wrote:One would expect "resistance movements" to attack targets such as police forces, military or governmental officials, not college students. That's what terrorists and mass murderers do.

Maybe they're taking notes from Chechnya.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:37 am

Risottia wrote:One would expect "resistance movements" to attack targets such as police forces, military or governmental officials, not college students. That's what terrorists and mass murderers do.
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Petrasylvania wrote:
Risottia wrote:One would expect "resistance movements" to attack targets such as police forces, military or governmental officials, not college students. That's what terrorists and mass murderers do.

Maybe they're taking notes from Chechnya.

Aka terrorists. Nothing to do with resistance.
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Risottia wrote:One would expect "resistance movements" to attack targets such as police forces, military or governmental officials, not college students. That's what terrorists and mass murderers do.


Well, radical Islamists and far-right extremists both love soft targets, it's not unheard of for terrorists to go for the most vulnerable place where there are lots of people to kill.
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Risottia wrote:One would expect "resistance movements" to attack targets such as police forces, military or governmental officials, not college students. That's what terrorists and mass murderers do.


Well, radical Islamists and far-right extremists both love soft targets, it's not unheard of for terrorists to go for the most vulnerable place where there are lots of people to kill.
I fail to see the substantial difference between far-right terrorists and islamist terrorists. Acts define people more than belief does.
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Postby Page » Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:02 am

Risottia wrote:
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Well, radical Islamists and far-right extremists both love soft targets, it's not unheard of for terrorists to go for the most vulnerable place where there are lots of people to kill.
I fail to see the substantial difference between far-right terrorists and islamist terrorists. Acts define people more than belief does.


I didn't claim there was a difference.

Anyway, based on what I'm reading in this article: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/1 ... detonated/

someone who claims to know the shooter says the shooter wanted "revenge" on "evil teachers." Doesn't sound political.
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Postby Shofercia » Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:32 am

Risottia wrote:One would expect "resistance movements" to attack targets such as police forces, military or governmental officials, not college students. That's what terrorists and mass murderers do.


Thank you Ris! I completely agree. First attack in Crimea in four years, I hope they find whomever was responsible for the explosion, and harshly prosecute that individual or group of individuals.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:29 am

Good God, people, 17 children are murdered in cold blood by some kid who in his own words wanted to get revenge on his teachers, and you guys try pinning it on Putin for annexing Crimea and causing a political terror attack? Come on, have a little decency.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:37 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Good God, people, 17 children are murdered in cold blood by some kid who in his own words wanted to get revenge on his teachers, and you guys try pinning it on Putin for annexing Crimea and causing a political terror attack? Come on, have a little decency.

My guess is on the Ukrainians.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:38 am

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United Muscovite Nations wrote:Good God, people, 17 children are murdered in cold blood by some kid who in his own words wanted to get revenge on his teachers, and you guys try pinning it on Putin for annexing Crimea and causing a political terror attack? Come on, have a little decency.

My guess is on the Ukrainians.

It's not a fucking terror attack, it was some kid whose own mother said was "obsessed" with the Columbine High School massacre.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:44 am

Petrasylvania wrote:If it's an actual resistance attack and not some disaffected student trying to emulate American mass shooters then it kind of undermines the narrative was that the Crimea as a whole wanted to be reabsorbed by Mother Russia.

19 children killed (this was a high school in American parlance), and your first thought is how you can use this to score political points? There are no words to describe how low you've descended in your political hatred.
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Postby Western-Ukraine » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:46 am

The motive aside, attacks like these are no more than terrorism/murder. No justification, period.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:48 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:My guess is on the Ukrainians.

It's not a fucking terror attack, it was some kid whose own mother said was "obsessed" with the Columbine High School massacre.

Shit. I knew that it was a bad idea to make films of that shit
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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:49 am

So thoughts and prayers and arm the student body when?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:50 am

Petrasylvania wrote:So thoughts and prayers and arm the student body when?

Doesn't really apply here, Russia already has very strict gun laws.
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Postby Western-Ukraine » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:51 am

Petrasylvania wrote:So thoughts and prayers and arm the student body when?

Not the students. I wouldn't trust children or even teens with weapons. Only for teachers and other staff.
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United Muscovite Nations wrote:Good God, people, 17 children are murdered in cold blood by some kid who in his own words wanted to get revenge on his teachers, and you guys try pinning it on Putin for annexing Crimea and causing a political terror attack? Come on, have a little decency.


Which guys are blaming it on Putin?
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United Muscovite Nations wrote:Good God, people, 17 children are murdered in cold blood by some kid who in his own words wanted to get revenge on his teachers, and you guys try pinning it on Putin for annexing Crimea and causing a political terror attack? Come on, have a little decency.


Which guys are blaming it on Putin?

Gauth pretty much outright did at the top of the thread, and the OP implied it was indirectly his fault.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:57 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:So thoughts and prayers and arm the student body when?

Doesn't really apply here, Russia already has very strict gun laws.

So how long before the usual suspects bawl about how even Russian gun control doesn't work?
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