Cutting People Off From Society For Their Politics

[Frievolk]

You're talking about a group that gets so rabid that they'll attack one of their own for carrying a US flag on grounds that he was a fascist. I don't think trying to be reasonable with such people is going to get anybody anything other than maybe a brick in the face.

Anti-fascists are just people, they can make mistakes. Consider that the police and military injure and kill many many times more innocent people than anti-fascists ever have or probably ever could. Do you quake in fear when you see a police officer?

Yes. Yes I do.

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Just letting you know that there's no need to fear anti-fascist violence if you're not a fascist.

Everyone who is not a progressive has been getting deemed "fascist." You can say that there's nothing to worry about here, but when the rubber hits the road, Antifa doesn't seem to draw any distinction between people carrying American flags and those who carry swastikas, even though there's a pretty substantial difference between the two groups.

When people carrying American flags are marching alongside people carrying swastikas in the same protest, there isn't a difference. If you march with fascists for a common cause, you are one.

[Frievolk]

Everyone who is not a progressive has been getting deemed "fascist." You can say that there's nothing to worry about here, but when the rubber hits the road, Antifa doesn't seem to draw any distinction between people carrying American flags and those who carry swastikas, even though there's a pretty substantial difference between the two groups.

When people carrying American flags are marching alongside people carrying swastikas in the same protest, there isn't a difference. If you march with fascists for a common cause, you are one.

If you hire (or ask) far right white-supremacist hate groups for protection in protest to people protesting police violence on a black man, you're probably a fascist yourself.
Or an American Conservative.

[Trumptonium1]

Just letting you know that there's no need to fear anti-fascist violence if you're not a fascist.

Tell that to these people then. Civilians simply trying to drive down a road get attacked, and harassed by antifa.

Prime candidates for mass imprisonment.

I'm surprised nobody there in those cars pulled out a gun - that is clear threat to life. I'd like to use mine.

Nevermind, forgot Oregon is not right to carry.

[Northeast American Federation]

You're talking about a group that gets so rabid that they'll attack one of their own for carrying a US flag on grounds that he was a fascist. I don't think trying to be reasonable with such people is going to get anybody anything other than maybe a brick in the face.

Anti-fascists are just people, they can make mistakes. Consider that the police and military injure and kill many many times more innocent people than anti-fascists ever have or probably ever could. Do you quake in fear when you see a police officer?

A police officer isn't going around looking for people they don't like so they can beat them up, contrary to apparently popular belief. So no.

[Hammer Britannia]

How about no?

Nobody's ideas should be shut off because "I personally or politically disagree" or "Dey r Ebil fascists xd".

Except for Pineapple on Pizza Nationalists. Screw them

[Ifreann]

Just letting you know that there's no need to fear anti-fascist violence if you're not a fascist.

Everyone who is not a progressive has been getting deemed "fascist."

Not really. People just aren't getting away with trying to hide their fascism behind some other name or other symbols.

You can say that there's nothing to worry about here, but when the rubber hits the road, Antifa doesn't seem to draw any distinction between people carrying American flags and those who carry swastikas, even though there's a pretty substantial difference between the two groups.

*shrug* Mistakes will happen.

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Just letting you know that there's no need to fear anti-fascist violence if you're not a fascist.

Have you opened the internet or the news in the last 12 months?

No.

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Just letting you know that there's no need to fear anti-fascist violence if you're not a fascist.

Tell that to these people then. Civilians simply trying to drive down a road get attacked, and harassed by antifa.

You keep saying civilians as if there's soldiers involved in some way.

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How about no?

Nobody's ideas should be shut off because "I personally or politically disagree" or "Dey r Ebil fascists xd".

So is the alt-right's idea of ethnic cleansing an idea that shouldn't be shut off then?

[Northeast American Federation]

Everyone who is not a progressive has been getting deemed "fascist."

Not really. People just aren't getting away with trying to hide their fascism behind some other name or other symbols.

You can say that there's nothing to worry about here, but when the rubber hits the road, Antifa doesn't seem to draw any distinction between people carrying American flags and those who carry swastikas, even though there's a pretty substantial difference between the two groups.

*shrug* Mistakes will happen.

So your response is basically "yes everyone whose views I don't like is actually a fascist but just hiding it, and therefore it's okay if we beat up someone who isn't by mistake because violence is justified against fascists." Got it.

[Hammer Britannia]

How about no?

Nobody's ideas should be shut off because "I personally or politically disagree" or "Dey r Ebil fascists xd".

So is the alt-right's idea of ethnic cleansing an idea that shouldn't be shut off then?

No, it shouldn't.

Also, the "Alt-RIght" is such a broad stroke of a term it could apply to anyone from actual Nazis to 4chan Shitposters who are actually social-liberals who don't believe in killing anyone.

[Petrolheadia]

You're talking about a group that gets so rabid that they'll attack one of their own for carrying a US flag on grounds that he was a fascist. I don't think trying to be reasonable with such people is going to get anybody anything other than maybe a brick in the face.

Anti-fascists are just people, they can make mistakes. Consider that the police and military injure and kill many many times more innocent people than anti-fascists ever have or probably ever could. Do you quake in fear when you see a police officer?

One who upholds an actual written law? No.

A vigilante extremist? Yes.

Everyone who is not a progressive has been getting deemed "fascist."

Not really. People just aren't getting away with trying to hide their fascism behind some other name or other symbols.

You can say that there's nothing to worry about here, but when the rubber hits the road, Antifa doesn't seem to draw any distinction between people carrying American flags and those who carry swastikas, even though there's a pretty substantial difference between the two groups.

*shrug* Mistakes will happen.

All right, I'm mistakenly getting a crowbar ready for your face.

[Frievolk]

So is the alt-right's idea of ethnic cleansing an idea that shouldn't be shut off then?

No, it shouldn't.

Also, the "Alt-RIght" is such a broad stroke of a term it could apply to anyone from actual Nazis to 4chan Shitposters who are actually social-liberals who don't believe in killing anyone.

Suggesting any of these people apart from the legit fascists would actually go to street to make a rally/protest/march for some reason.
I don't see a 4chan shitposter (who isn't a fascist) marching for equal waifu rights movement.

[Hammer Britannia]

No, it shouldn't.

Also, the "Alt-RIght" is such a broad stroke of a term it could apply to anyone from actual Nazis to 4chan Shitposters who are actually social-liberals who don't believe in killing anyone.

Suggesting any of these people apart from the legit fascists would actually go to street to make a rally/protest/march for some reason.
I don't see a 4chan shitposter (who isn't a fascist) marching for equal waifu rights movement.

i can see it happening.

[Frievolk]

Suggesting any of these people apart from the legit fascists would actually go to street to make a rally/protest/march for some reason.
I don't see a 4chan shitposter (who isn't a fascist) marching for equal waifu rights movement.

i can see it happening.

But I don't think it's actually possible anyone would like, smash into that protest with pepper sprays in the event of an equal waifu rights movement protest. (apart from the Cops, of course)

[Ifreann]

Anti-fascists are just people, they can make mistakes. Consider that the police and military injure and kill many many times more innocent people than anti-fascists ever have or probably ever could. Do you quake in fear when you see a police officer?

A police officer isn't going around looking for people they don't like so they can beat them up, contrary to apparently popular belief. So no.

Police officers in the US have killed...probably thousands of innocent people over the years. That they may not be actively looking for someone to attack clearly does not make people safe from them.

[Petrolheadia]

So if fascism is so bad,,it should be easy to stop it.

You're making it look like some awesome, unstoppable ideology.

You do realize that fascism doesn't get up by "winning debates", right? It gets up by violence. I mean literal violence. beating-people-with-clubs-so-they-don't-vote-for-the-fascist-opposition-via-paramilitary-forces-while-they're-not-in-power-and-forcing-people-into-concentration-camps-for-not-Sieg-Heiling-the-right-way-when-they-are violence.
(That, and "LET'S KILL ALL MINORITIES!" makes a better chant while holding a march than "WHY?" does)

Suggesting fascism has ever won anything by debate -or ever won a debate period- is peak historical revisionism.

If you don't debate people before they have a chance of being violent, or even push them to it, your fault.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Tell that to these people then. Civilians simply trying to drive down a road get attacked, and harassed by antifa.

You keep saying civilians as if there's soldiers involved in some way.

Are you going to look at my source, or are you going to foolishly over-examine the word civilian?

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I wouldn't say "use of force", necessarily. As much as I agree with the Antifa, punching nazis isn't really productive, apart from being a good and healthy pasttime that we ought to return to. However, I would definitely support making it hard for them, the nazis, to function in a society. Dox them in every possible way. Don't sell to them or buy from them, don't give them jobs, disenfranchise them, don't make them eligible for basic public services (i.e. no law enforcement, no emergency aid, etc.).
Nazis (and fascists in general, in my opinion) should be forced to choose between being a Nazi and getting to live like a normal citizen of a country.
To add that, I would also say we ought to orcastize anyone who doesn't orcastize the nazis the same way. As far as I'm concerned, If a nazi's at a table with ten other people, you have eleven Nazis in that table.

Dox them? You do realise that that's illegal right? A person's right to privacy doesn't change based on how repugnant or non-repugnant their views are. Refusing to hire or sell to someone based on their religious beliefs is illegal for good reason, a political ideology is basicslly a secular religion, and many religions advocate things just as repugnant as Nazism. If emergency services aren't available to alleged Nazis, they are third class citizens and any fassad about "not using force necessarily" is fired into the sun.

I think a person shouldn't have to abandon their beliefs in order to get a bloody ambulance. Does that male me one of eleven Nazis? Labelling anyone who treats alleged Nazis like human beings and then proceeding to treat them like subhumans, when taken to its logical conclusion, will result in complete societal breakdown within days as friends and family split into factions over alleged Nazism and Nazi sympathies.

[Frievolk]

You do realize that fascism doesn't get up by "winning debates", right? It gets up by violence. I mean literal violence. beating-people-with-clubs-so-they-don't-vote-for-the-fascist-opposition-via-paramilitary-forces-while-they're-not-in-power-and-forcing-people-into-concentration-camps-for-not-Sieg-Heiling-the-right-way-when-they-are violence.
(That, and "LET'S KILL ALL MINORITIES!" makes a better chant while holding a march than "WHY?" does)

Suggesting fascism has ever won anything by debate -or ever won a debate period- is peak historical revisionism.

If you don't debate people before they have a chance of being violent, or even push them to it, your fault.

Contrary to popular belief, if I leave my door open and someone steals from me, it's not my fault. It's the thief's. Similarly, If the fascist goes violence, even if I push them to it, it's still their fault.
There is literally no scenario where anything concerning fascists would be the fault of an antifascist. Except for if a fuckload of antifascists refuse to vote in a democratic election and get a fascist into office.

[Petrolheadia]

A police officer isn't going around looking for people they don't like so they can beat them up, contrary to apparently popular belief. So no.

Police officers in the US have killed...probably thousands of innocent people over the years. That they may not be actively looking for someone to attack clearly does not make people safe from them.

Thousands is the total number of killings, and unjust is a fraction of that.

And a rogue police officer is actually breaking a law, while Antifa has no laws to abide by.

[Petrolheadia]

If you don't debate people before they have a chance of being violent, or even push them to it, your fault.

Contrary to popular belief, if I leave my door open and someone steals from me, it's not my fault. It's the thief's. Similarly, If the fascist goes violence, even if I push them to it, it's still their fault.
There is literally no scenario where anything concerning fascists would be the fault of an antifascist. Except for if a fuckload of antifascists refuse to vote in a democratic election and get a fascist into office.

If you push people to do something, it is quite clearly and obviously your fault.

[Frievolk]

Contrary to popular belief, if I leave my door open and someone steals from me, it's not my fault. It's the thief's. Similarly, If the fascist goes violence, even if I push them to it, it's still their fault.
There is literally no scenario where anything concerning fascists would be the fault of an antifascist. Except for if a fuckload of antifascists refuse to vote in a democratic election and get a fascist into office.

If you push people to do something, it is quite clearly and obviously your fault.

No. It's their fault for doing it.

[Petrolheadia]

I wouldn't say "use of force", necessarily. As much as I agree with the Antifa, punching nazis isn't really productive, apart from being a good and healthy pasttime that we ought to return to. However, I would definitely support making it hard for them, the nazis, to function in a society. Dox them in every possible way. Don't sell to them or buy from them, don't give them jobs, disenfranchise them, don't make them eligible for basic public services (i.e. no law enforcement, no emergency aid, etc.).
Nazis (and fascists in general, in my opinion) should be forced to choose between being a Nazi and getting to live like a normal citizen of a country.
To add that, I would also say we ought to orcastize anyone who doesn't orcastize the nazis the same way. As far as I'm concerned, If a nazi's at a table with ten other people, you have eleven Nazis in that table.

Dox them? You do realise that that's illegal right? A person's right to privacy doesn't change based on how repugnant or non-repugnant their views are. Refusing to hire or sell to someone based on their religious beliefs is illegal for good reason, a political ideology is basicslly a secular religion, and many religions advocate things just as repugnant as Nazism. If emergency services aren't available to alleged Nazis, they are third class citizens and any fassad about "not using force necessarily" is fired into the sun.

I think a person shouldn't have to abandon their beliefs in order to get a bloody ambulance. Does that male me one of eleven Nazis?

Twelve now, he counted me in as one.

[Petrolheadia]

If you push people to do something, it is quite clearly and obviously your fault.

No. It's their fault for doing it.

With your provocation.

You don't exactly try bullets for homicides, do you?

[Hammer Britannia]

If you push people to do something, it is quite clearly and obviously your fault.

No. It's their fault for doing it.

Alright then, if I bully a kid into beating me up, it's the kid's fault for beating me.

Or if I force someone to give me their money it's their fault for giving me the money. Because clearly, they had a choice in the matter.