Breastfeeding during a flight...

[Dumb Ideologies]

Waah. I hope you're not criticising, that'd be very selfish

Wow. You sure showed me. I feel so discredited. This is totally the same thing.

Sssh, no tears. Only dreams now <3

[Trumptonium1]

Screaming baby next to you is not "minimal" discomfort but glad to see you've come to agree with my position Iffy.

Compared to the inconvenience of driving a route one would otherwise fly, it very much is.

At the moment our team is going for fines and compensation as a transitional demand rather than going straight to the right to pick up the baby and whack the parents about the face with it, but we're seeing how the conversation goes.

Or we can ban them from flights. No need to inconvenience the majority for the benefit of a minority.

Banning is the same thing as giving fines. Publicise fines and people won't dare to risk them. Thus you've banned babies by publicising fines. In the same way you've banned speeding twenty metres from a speeding camera.

[Caracasus]

Compared to the inconvenience of driving a route one would otherwise fly, it very much is.

Banning is the same thing as giving fines. The low income people won't dare to risk a fine and the upper income people won't worry about it because they have enough time in the day to properly cater for their children so they don't scream in the first place a few months after birth. Thus you've banned babies by publicising fines. In the same way you've banned speeding twenty metres from a speeding camera.

Wait a second... are you seriously suggesting that well off people don't have children who scream after a few months?

[O bama]

I guess you like liberal baiting, but you seem to find so many things actionably insufferable that the word snowflake does kinda spring to mind.

Don't think the concept of snowflake applies to people who long for a return to the distant past of 2005 when people had more brains and were more considerate. Thanks Obama.

You are welcome. I did invent breastfeeding on planes when I still lived in kenya. About time I got the credit.

[Ifreann]

Banning is the same thing as giving fines. The low income people won't dare to risk a fine and the upper income people won't worry about it because they have enough time in the day to properly cater for their children so they don't scream in the first place a few months after birth. Thus you've banned babies by publicising fines. In the same way you've banned speeding twenty metres from a speeding camera.

Wait a second... are you seriously suggesting that well off people don't have children who scream after a few months?

But of course it's only the poors who are so uncivilised.

[Jebslund]

It's some Twilight Zone level shit when we cheer parents bringing their brat along into a scenario where it is likely to cause a greater number of people than them discomfort and inconvenience, deride the uninvolved people who suffer said consequences as being selfish if they complain, and hiss that the victims should have prepared for the eventuality at their own expense.

If we were talking about a movie or some other situation where one can be expected to return home in a brief enough amount of time that hiring a sitter would be feasible, you'd have a point. This being public transportation, however, you are full of shit. Screaming kids is one of the risks you take when you take public transport, because parents have places to be, too, and every bit as much a right to be there as you do. You aren't the only one who bought a ticket, buddy. Bring earphones or get a $1 pack of earplugs.

And, before you try, I'm saying this as a childless person who finds the sound of a screaming child unpleasant for both the usual reasons *and* the sensory issues it causes me. It's one of several reasons I'm rarely without head/earphones (and never by choice).

[Ethel mermania]

Wait a second... are you seriously suggesting that well off people don't have children who scream after a few months?

But of course it's only the poors who are so uncivilised.

Yes, rich babies are born with fully developed ear tubes, --- it is known.

[Caracasus]

But of course it's only the poors who are so uncivilised.

Yes, rich babies are born with fully developed ear tubes, --- it is known.

A baby blanket lined with £50 notes immediately stops any child from crying.

[The Holy Therns]

Wait a second... are you seriously suggesting that well off people don't have children who scream after a few months?

But of course it's only the poors who are so uncivilised.

"Royston, fetch the cricket bat! The peasants are attempting to board, we must fend them off!"

[The Free Joy State]

Yes, rich babies are born with fully developed ear tubes, --- it is known.

A baby blanket lined with £50 notes immediately stops any child from crying.

And, as every wealthy parent knows, a dollop of caviar on the dummy will immediately silence even the most fractious baby**

[N.B. Do not give your baby caviar]

[Caracasus]

But of course it's only the poors who are so uncivilised.

"Royston, fetch the cricket bat! The peasants are attempting to board, we must fend them off!"

"Quietly damnit Royston! My superior breeding has left my sense of hearing terribly sensitive to the slightest noise. Why just last week a mouse farted in the summer house and the butler had to fetch the smelling salts to revive me!"

[Christ Triumphant]

Ban aeroplanes.

I've seen a few votes now for the banning of planes. I also believe that implementing "vat-grown" human beings, while simultaneously banning biological reproduction, would solve this issue.

I believe NationStates may be uniquely positioned to take care of this problem...

[Ethel mermania]

Yes, rich babies are born with fully developed ear tubes, --- it is known.

A baby blanket lined with £50 notes immediately stops any child from crying.

Tbf, it would work on me.

[Dumb Ideologies]

It's some Twilight Zone level shit when we cheer parents bringing their brat along into a scenario where it is likely to cause a greater number of people than them discomfort and inconvenience, deride the uninvolved people who suffer said consequences as being selfish if they complain, and hiss that the victims should have prepared for the eventuality at their own expense.

If we were talking about a movie or some other situation where one can be expected to return home in a brief enough amount of time that hiring a sitter would be feasible, you'd have a point. This being public transportation, however, you are full of shit. Screaming kids is one of the risks you take when you take public transport, because parents have places to be, too, and every bit as much a right to be there as you do. You aren't the only one who bought a ticket, buddy. Bring earphones or get a $1 pack of earplugs.

And, before you try, I'm saying this as a childless person who finds the sound of a screaming child unpleasant for both the usual reasons *and* the sensory issues it causes me. It's one of several reasons I'm rarely without headphones (and never by choice).

$1 earplugs would barely take the edge off. You of all people know that effectively shutting out the noise would require quite expensive noise-cancelling headphones. Having a child involves sacrifices, why not have an inability to travel long distance without compensating your fellow travellers be part of those sacrifices? It seems very proportionate and very socially oriented towards the common welfare, refusal could only be selfish.

You've been corrupted by the breeder lobby, awaken from your false consciousness.

[Caracasus]

A baby blanket lined with £50 notes immediately stops any child from crying.

Tbf, it would work on me.

Cool! Send me £5000 and I'll get one made up for ya!

I reckon actually it might work for about 10 mins. Kids seem to have an innate ability to destroy expensive stuff.

[The Free Joy State]

Tbf, it would work on me.

Cool! Send me £5000 and I'll get one made up for ya!

I reckon actually it might work for about 10 mins. Kids seem to have an innate ability to destroy expensive stuff.

But then it would be the parents' wailing that would disturb the plane...

[The Blaatschapen]

Yes, rich babies are born with fully developed ear tubes, --- it is known.

A baby blanket lined with £50 notes immediately stops any child from crying.

This is true. I once received such a blanket and I stopped caring about crying children on the flight.

[Wozmania]

My 2 0.02 euro cents: people are very judgmental about moms breastfeeding here in my country. They are usually not doing this in plain sight, bu when they do, they are behaving quite nicely, they are not putting an emphasis on the act of breastfeeding. There should not be an issue with a mom wanting to breastfeed her child, but again this should be done in a way that does not make other people uncomfortable. Then again there are people trying to pick a fight over anything.

The airline should not do anything about it, the mom has every right to breastfeed her child, I do not think it is forbidden anywhere. Of course there had to be a woman that objected to that, you will never read about a man complaining about seeing a mom breastfeeding here child. Just as breasts are associated with breastfeeding, they are and will always be associated with sex. The mom could have done it when there were less people around her. I know that this is not easily controlled, but there is a certain degree of control. It is not like she had to do it at that exact moment. She could have waited to a few more minutes or she could have done it a little sooner. We can only speculate on it.

Long story short: I do not see anything wrong with a mom breastfeeding her child.

[Page]

I wish people would get over breastfeeding and get over nudity in general. I'd like to just swim in the ocean at a public beach completely naked. People should also get over women who don't wear bras, some women don't like them, it's their choice. We have all these taboos that we wouldn't have if we hadn't been taught them from birth, but there is no rational basis for them.

[Jebslund]

If we were talking about a movie or some other situation where one can be expected to return home in a brief enough amount of time that hiring a sitter would be feasible, you'd have a point. This being public transportation, however, you are full of shit. Screaming kids is one of the risks you take when you take public transport, because parents have places to be, too, and every bit as much a right to be there as you do. You aren't the only one who bought a ticket, buddy. Bring earphones or get a $1 pack of earplugs.

And, before you try, I'm saying this as a childless person who finds the sound of a screaming child unpleasant for both the usual reasons *and* the sensory issues it causes me. It's one of several reasons I'm rarely without headphones (and never by choice).

$1 earplugs would barely take the edge off. You of all people know that effectively shutting out the noise would require quite expensive noise-cancelling headphones. Having a child involves sacrifices, why not have an inability to travel long distance without compensating your fellow travellers be part of those sacrifices? It seems very proportionate and very socially oriented towards the common welfare, refusal could only be selfish.

You've been corrupted by the breeder lobby, awaken from your false consciousness.

Expensive? I use a pair of $12 earphones I bought at fucking Walgreens and I can usually tune the surrounding noise out entirely.

As to sacrificing long-distance, can we also ban left-wingers, right-wingers, people who feel the need to constantly badger strangers for attention only to relate patently obvious "revelations" and ask questions a toddler could answer, people with stupid hairstyles, people who wear too much cologne/perfume, boisterous teens, idiots who feel their desire to recline trumps the person behind them's need for space, idiots who make it a point to belch/fart as loudly as possible, idiots who don't know how to properly cover their fucking mouths/noses when they cough/sneeze, and anyone anyone finds annoying from flights, too, or shall we simply accept that your fare for economy class does not include a guarantee that no one on the flight will annoy you and handle it like mature adults (that is to say, either deal with it or prepare for it.)?

[Dumb Ideologies]

$1 earplugs would barely take the edge off. You of all people know that effectively shutting out the noise would require quite expensive noise-cancelling headphones. Having a child involves sacrifices, why not have an inability to travel long distance without compensating your fellow travellers be part of those sacrifices? It seems very proportionate and very socially oriented towards the common welfare, refusal could only be selfish.

You've been corrupted by the breeder lobby, awaken from your false consciousness.

Expensive? I use a pair of $12 earphones I bought at fucking Walgreens and I can usually tune the surrounding noise out entirely.

As to sacrificing long-distance, can we also ban left-wingers, right-wingers, people who feel the need to constantly badger strangers for attention only to relate patently obvious "revelations" and ask questions a toddler could answer, people with stupid hairstyles, people who wear too much cologne/perfume, boisterous teens, idiots who feel their desire to recline trumps the person behind them's need for space, idiots who make it a point to belch/fart as loudly as possible, idiots who don't know how to properly cover their fucking mouths/noses when they cough/sneeze, and anyone anyone finds annoying from flights, too, or shall we simply accept that your fare for economy class does not include a guarantee that no one on the flight will annoy you and handle it like mature adults (that is to say, either deal with it or prepare for it.)?

You've found a solution that partly mitigates the problem for you. But if all must prepare that is effectively a 12 dollar tax on all the other passengers who need to prepare for this eventuality, and even at that price you admit that the solution is incompete and partial at blocking out the sound. The mature adult response, taking into account the welfare of all, would be to not take a child on to a flight. When other people don't act like mature adults (such as by bringing a child onto a flight) we need to challenge, criticize and encourage their punishment, otherwise bad behaviour will prevail. It is our duty as good citizens to strive against selfishness in such ways.

[Ifreann]

Expensive? I use a pair of $12 earphones I bought at fucking Walgreens and I can usually tune the surrounding noise out entirely.

As to sacrificing long-distance, can we also ban left-wingers, right-wingers, people who feel the need to constantly badger strangers for attention only to relate patently obvious "revelations" and ask questions a toddler could answer, people with stupid hairstyles, people who wear too much cologne/perfume, boisterous teens, idiots who feel their desire to recline trumps the person behind them's need for space, idiots who make it a point to belch/fart as loudly as possible, idiots who don't know how to properly cover their fucking mouths/noses when they cough/sneeze, and anyone anyone finds annoying from flights, too, or shall we simply accept that your fare for economy class does not include a guarantee that no one on the flight will annoy you and handle it like mature adults (that is to say, either deal with it or prepare for it.)?

You've found a solution that partly mitigates the problem for you. But if all must prepare that is effectively a 12 dollar tax on all the other passengers who need to prepare for this eventuality, and even at that piece you admit that the solution is incompete and partial at blocking out the sound. The mature adult response, taking into account the welfare of all, would be to not take a child on to a flight. When other people don't act like mature adults (such as by bringing a child onto a flight) we need to challenge, criticize and encourage their punishment, otherwise bad behaviour will prevail. It is our duty as good citizens to strive against selfishness in such ways.

That's why I always tell people who get on the bus in a wheelchair that they're taking up space that could be used by multiple standing passengers, and if they had any consideration for other people they'd get off at once and just wheel themselves wherever they're going.

[Caracasus]

Expensive? I use a pair of $12 earphones I bought at fucking Walgreens and I can usually tune the surrounding noise out entirely.

As to sacrificing long-distance, can we also ban left-wingers, right-wingers, people who feel the need to constantly badger strangers for attention only to relate patently obvious "revelations" and ask questions a toddler could answer, people with stupid hairstyles, people who wear too much cologne/perfume, boisterous teens, idiots who feel their desire to recline trumps the person behind them's need for space, idiots who make it a point to belch/fart as loudly as possible, idiots who don't know how to properly cover their fucking mouths/noses when they cough/sneeze, and anyone anyone finds annoying from flights, too, or shall we simply accept that your fare for economy class does not include a guarantee that no one on the flight will annoy you and handle it like mature adults (that is to say, either deal with it or prepare for it.)?

The mature adult response, taking into account the welfare of all, would be to not take a child on to a flight. When other people don't act like mature adults (such as by bringing a child onto a flight) we need to challenge, criticize and encourage their punishment, otherwise bad behaviour will prevail. It is our duty as good citizens to strive against selfishness in such ways.

People fly because it is often a lot cheaper than other forms of transport and because it is fast. It's not unsurprising that parents of small children might need to get somewhere fast and cheaply.

I don't doubt that there's a few parents who are so oblivious that they're just going to take their kid on a flight because, but I'd imagine that the majority of parents who have to take planes do so for a decent reason. It'd be a bit weird to assume automatically otherwise. After all, the parents have to put up with the screaming too. Nobody likes dealing with screaming kids.

Hell, I'd never take my kid on a plane when they were little - but if they required hospital treatment far enough away, or I had to go with them due to some family emergency I'd probably risk it to get there cheaper than travelling by train and faster.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Hearing a baby cry for hours on end is so fun alright

Buy some earplugs before going on a flight.

Problem solved.

Not really. How would you hear any safety announcements?

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Actually, noise cancelling headphones as a standard fixture on planes would be a good idea.