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Postby Valrifell » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:15 am

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:17 am

Bombadil wrote:
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Hearing a baby cry for hours on end is so fun alright


Yes, the world is about you.. it’s a whole lot less misery than the baby, the parents and everyone who gets to to view your judgementalism have to suffer.


I too find people having different views equally or more disrupting than high-decibel piercing screaming.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:18 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Another vote for banning babies on flights.

Boring solution. Free sedatives on flights for people who don't have babies.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:19 am

Woman getting shamed for breastfeeding during a flight is dumb and stupid.

But not really news worthy.

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Postby Bombadil » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:19 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
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Yes, the world is about you.. it’s a whole lot less misery than the baby, the parents and everyone who gets to to view your judgementalism have to suffer.


I too find people having different views equally or more disrupting than high-decibel piercing screaming.


You have very sensitive ears.
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:21 am

Bombadil wrote:
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Hearing a baby cry for hours on end is so fun alright


Yes, the world is about you.. it’s a whole lot less misery than the baby, the parents and everyone who gets to to view your judgementalism have to suffer.


Unfortunately for you and other inconsiderate and impertinent people, the world is indeed not about you, because there's people around you. Want to do whatever it is you want? Buy a wheat field and live in it. To participate in a civilised society, civilised behaviour and an ounce of respect for others is a prerequisite.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:22 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:
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At least, for once, don’t be so boring.


Hearing a baby cry for hours on end is so fun alright

Buy some earplugs before going on a flight.

Problem solved.

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Postby Bombadil » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:24 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:
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Yes, the world is about you.. it’s a whole lot less misery than the baby, the parents and everyone who gets to to view your judgementalism have to suffer.


Unfortunately for you and other inconsiderate and impertinent people, the world is indeed not about you, because there's people around you. Want to do whatever it is you want? Buy a wheat field and live in it. To participate in a civilised society, civilised behaviour and an ounce of respect for others is a prerequisite.


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Step back and take a moment to read what you just wrote.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:25 am

I don't get why anyone makes a fuss over breastfeeding. Parents need to travel for various reasons; they can't leave the baby. I'd have thought most people would find a fed, calm baby preferable to a hungry, crying baby.

Ifreann wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Another vote for banning babies on flights.

Boring solution. Free sedatives on flights for people who don't have babies.

Free solution: Don't sit, staring at women who are breastfeeding.

Most mothers I've met are incredibly discrete. It's not like they get their boobs out, attach tassels and do a floorshow.
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:26 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
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Hearing a baby cry for hours on end is so fun alright

Buy some earplugs before going on a flight.

Problem solved.


I encourage people to take a dump on your plane seat. It's a natural human function. Buy a poncho if this is of inconvenience to you.

Problem solved.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:27 am

The Free Joy State wrote:I don't get why anyone makes a fuss over breastfeeding. Parents need to travel for various reasons; they can't leave the baby. I'd have thought most people would find a fed, calm baby preferable to a hungry, crying baby.

Ifreann wrote:Boring solution. Free sedatives on flights for people who don't have babies.

Free solution: Don't sit, staring at women who are breastfeeding.

Most mothers I've met are incredibly discrete. It's not like they get their boobs out, attach tassels and do a floorshow.

Maybe people would be more supportive of public breastfeeding if they did.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:27 am

The Free Joy State wrote:I don't get why anyone makes a fuss over breastfeeding. Parents need to travel for various reasons; they can't leave the baby. I'd have thought most people would find a fed, calm baby preferable to a hungry, crying baby.

Ifreann wrote:Boring solution. Free sedatives on flights for people who don't have babies.

Free solution: Don't sit, staring at women who are breastfeeding.

Most mothers I've met are incredibly discrete. It's not like they get their boobs out, attach tassels and do a floorshow.

Dammit. It would so improve air travel.
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Postby Caracasus » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:30 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Buy some earplugs before going on a flight.

Problem solved.


I encourage people to take a dump on your plane seat. It's a natural human function. Buy a poncho if this is of inconvenience to you.

Problem solved.


I'm actually quite impressed that you've managed to draw an identical false equivalence in an argument that I actually used to highlight the stupidity of using false equivalences in said arguments in an earlier post....

It's always funny watching people complain about parents taking their kids more or less anywhere. Parents don't much like hearing their kids screaming at the top of their lungs either, and generally try and do things to stop that happening. I get there's probably a few outliers there, but most people aren't taking a 6 month old on a flight for shits and giggles and they're certainly not going to be just sitting back and letting the little hobgoblin scream the place down.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:31 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:
Hearing a baby cry for hours on end is so fun alright

Buy some earplugs before going on a flight.

Problem solved.


Get everyone else to buy precautionary earplugs rather than not letting babies on the flight? Nah.

At the very least, fine the parents sufficient to provide complimentary earplugs for the next half dozen rows, plus a substantial administration fee.
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Postby Uan aa Boa » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:34 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Why would anyone put it past evolution to have males respond to evidence of successful childbirth by wanting to give her another baby, and in turn, getting aroused? Can we really be sure that's any less "natural?" And if we can't, isn't it a little hypocritical to treat how "natural" one is relevant, and not the other?

So what if someone in the vicinity does find breastfeeding arousing? It's not being done for their benefit.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:36 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Buy some earplugs before going on a flight.

Problem solved.


I encourage people to take a dump on your plane seat. It's a natural human function. Buy a poncho if this is of inconvenience to you.

Problem solved.

What you described is not equivalent to this situation.

A 'dump' is physical. A baby crying is a sound.

A 'dump' is unsanitary and will have health risks involved. A baby crying is just annoying. But it is not a threat to your body.

Besides, why should airlines loose profits from people with young families not buying a ticket?

That hurts the economy, it hurts the company, it hurts the employees. Why should business lose profits beacuse you want to restrict air travel business rights?

I thought you where Reals>Feels. Guess not sense you being annoyed for a few hours is so important to you over the lives that depend on young families flying.

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Postby Bombadil » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:37 am

I’d suggest if discomfort is not your thing don’t get into an airborne tin can for a few hours of your life..

Take a train or boat so you can escape the incredible strain of someone breastfeeding or a baby crying..

‘Oh but I absolutely must be on time..’

Get over yourself.
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I encourage people to take a dump on your plane seat. It's a natural human function. Buy a poncho if this is of inconvenience to you.

Problem solved.


I'm actually quite impressed that you've managed to draw an identical false equivalence in an argument that I actually used to highlight the stupidity of using false equivalences in said arguments in an earlier post....


What a wonderful coincidence that both of us used an appropriate analogy to describe the gradual breakdown of a basic level of decency in society.

Caracasus wrote:It's always funny watching people complain about parents taking their kids more or less anywhere. Parents don't much like hearing their kids screaming at the top of their lungs either, and generally try and do things to stop that happening. I get there's probably a few outliers there, but most people aren't taking a 6 month old on a flight for shits and giggles and they're certainly not going to be just sitting back and letting the little hobgoblin scream the place down.


Are you implying that the intentions of the parent in taking their baby with them makes absolutely any mitigating difference at all to the consequences and thus the common sense resolutions?

Take a car. Nobody can hear the kid there. Apart from you, but then that kid was your choice to make, not society's. Why should other people suffer your child's screams?

When adults scream on a flight, be it mental illness or drunkenness, they are taken off the flight by the police, including mid-flight stops. In many airlines, they are prevented from entering in the first place. Why shouldn't that be extended to toddlers and newborns?
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:39 am

Breastfeeding in public is probably preferable to a crying child.
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:39 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:
I encourage people to take a dump on your plane seat. It's a natural human function. Buy a poncho if this is of inconvenience to you.

Problem solved.

What you described is not equivalent to this situation.

A 'dump' is physical. A baby crying is a sound.

A 'dump' is unsanitary and will have health risks involved. A baby crying is just annoying. But it is not a threat to your body.

Besides, why should airlines loose profits from people with young families not buying a ticket?

That hurts the economy, it hurts the company, it hurts the employees. Why should business lose profits beacuse you want to restrict air travel business rights?

I thought you where Reals>Feels. Guess not sense you being annoyed for a few hours is so important to you over the lives that depend on young families flying.


It is a threat to your health if you are triggered by high pitched sounds. Some people have PTSD remember?

I thought you liberals were all about protecting people from being triggered.

Clapping is too loud so we must resort to jazz hands but a single mother being unable to control her demon spawn is just an okay 100-decibel inconvenience that must be suffered by all?
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Trumptonium1 wrote:Are you implying that the intentions of the parent in taking their baby with them makes absolutely any mitigating difference at all to the consequences and thus the common sense resolutions?

Take a car. Nobody can hear the kid there. Apart from you, but then that kid was your choice to make, not society's. Why should other people suffer your child's screams?

When adults scream on a flight, be it mental illness or drunkenness, they are taken off the flight by the police, including mid-flight stops. In many airlines, they are prevented from entering in the first place. Why shouldn't that be extended to toddlers and newborns?

If you could find a way to harness all that indignation you could probably heat your house for free.

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Uan aa Boa wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:Are you implying that the intentions of the parent in taking their baby with them makes absolutely any mitigating difference at all to the consequences and thus the common sense resolutions?

Take a car. Nobody can hear the kid there. Apart from you, but then that kid was your choice to make, not society's. Why should other people suffer your child's screams?

When adults scream on a flight, be it mental illness or drunkenness, they are taken off the flight by the police, including mid-flight stops. In many airlines, they are prevented from entering in the first place. Why shouldn't that be extended to toddlers and newborns?

If you could find a way to harness all that indignation you could probably heat your house for free.


No need to heat my house for free, I already found a way to substitute sleeping for liberal tear consumption as my primary source of energy.
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Postby Scottish Socialists » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:45 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:Take a car. Nobody can hear the kid there. Apart from you, but then that kid was your choice to make, not society's. Why should other people suffer your child's screams?

Aye pal, let them drive from Heathrow to Tenerife. That’ll solve the problem.

Look, babies on planes are annoying.
Either that parent can silence them with a game, a toy, or sleep, or you can plug in your headphones or earplugs and blissfully be unaware of the crying child.

Just deal with it.
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Trumptonium1 wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
I'm actually quite impressed that you've managed to draw an identical false equivalence in an argument that I actually used to highlight the stupidity of using false equivalences in said arguments in an earlier post....


What a wonderful coincidence that both of us used an appropriate analogy to describe the gradual breakdown of a basic level of decency in society.

Caracasus wrote:It's always funny watching people complain about parents taking their kids more or less anywhere. Parents don't much like hearing their kids screaming at the top of their lungs either, and generally try and do things to stop that happening. I get there's probably a few outliers there, but most people aren't taking a 6 month old on a flight for shits and giggles and they're certainly not going to be just sitting back and letting the little hobgoblin scream the place down.


Are you implying that the intentions of the parent in taking their baby with them makes absolutely any mitigating difference at all to the consequences and thus the common sense resolutions?

Take a car. Nobody can hear the kid there. Apart from you, but then that kid was your choice to make, not society's. Why should other people suffer your child's screams?

When adults scream on a flight, be it mental illness or drunkenness, they are taken off the flight by the police, including mid-flight stops. In many airlines, they are prevented from entering in the first place. Why shouldn't that be extended to toddlers and newborns?


If you can't see the difference between taking a dump and breastfeeding then I don't really know what to suggest I'm afraid.

Hmmm. I'm going to go with the fact that a toddler can't reason or think in the way a grown adult can. If a grown adult is screaming in flight due to a mental illness, then that is a problem that likely needs addressing immediately as they may be in considerable distress and a risk to themselves. If someone's drunk on a flight and acting up then they're being a bit of a cunt. Toddlers and babies don't and can't be expected to reason in the same way as a grown adult.

I'm also suggesting that there's probably a very pressing reason why parents would choose to fly rather than use a car or train. Those reasons might not be right, but it is quite likely that flying is by far their preferred choice of travel given how babies react to planes. As I said, I'd imagine that people being people there might be a handful of parents too ignorant or selfish to realize that flying with a kid is a bad idea, but they would be a minority. Most of them have pretty good reasons for flying I'd imagine.
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