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by Dumb Ideologies » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:26 am
by Trumptonium1 » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:27 am
Ifreann wrote:Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Screaming baby next to you is not "minimal" discomfort but glad to see you've come to agree with my position Iffy.
Compared to the inconvenience of driving a route one would otherwise fly, it very much is.At the moment our team is going for fines and compensation as a transitional demand rather than going straight to the right to pick up the baby and whack the parents about the face with it, but we're seeing how the conversation goes.Trumptonium1 wrote:Or we can ban them from flights. No need to inconvenience the majority for the benefit of a minority.
by Caracasus » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:28 am
Trumptonium1 wrote:Ifreann wrote:Compared to the inconvenience of driving a route one would otherwise fly, it very much is.
Banning is the same thing as giving fines. The low income people won't dare to risk a fine and the upper income people won't worry about it because they have enough time in the day to properly cater for their children so they don't scream in the first place a few months after birth. Thus you've banned babies by publicising fines. In the same way you've banned speeding twenty metres from a speeding camera.
by O bama » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:30 am
Trumptonium1 wrote:Uan aa Boa wrote:I guess you like liberal baiting, but you seem to find so many things actionably insufferable that the word snowflake does kinda spring to mind.
Don't think the concept of snowflake applies to people who long for a return to the distant past of 2005 when people had more brains and were more considerate. Thanks Obama.
by Ifreann » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:32 am
Caracasus wrote:Trumptonium1 wrote:
Banning is the same thing as giving fines. The low income people won't dare to risk a fine and the upper income people won't worry about it because they have enough time in the day to properly cater for their children so they don't scream in the first place a few months after birth. Thus you've banned babies by publicising fines. In the same way you've banned speeding twenty metres from a speeding camera.
Wait a second... are you seriously suggesting that well off people don't have children who scream after a few months?
by Jebslund » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:33 am
Dumb Ideologies wrote:It's some Twilight Zone level shit when we cheer parents bringing their brat along into a scenario where it is likely to cause a greater number of people than them discomfort and inconvenience, deride the uninvolved people who suffer said consequences as being selfish if they complain, and hiss that the victims should have prepared for the eventuality at their own expense.
by Ethel mermania » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:34 am
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by The Holy Therns » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:36 am
Gallade wrote:Love, cake, wine and banter. No greater meaning to life (〜^∇^)〜
Ethel mermania wrote:to therns is to transend the pettiness of the field of play into the field of dreams.
by The Free Joy State » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:39 am
by Caracasus » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:39 am
by Christ Triumphant » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:39 am
Ifreann wrote:Ban aeroplanes.
by Ethel mermania » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:39 am
by Dumb Ideologies » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:39 am
Jebslund wrote:Dumb Ideologies wrote:It's some Twilight Zone level shit when we cheer parents bringing their brat along into a scenario where it is likely to cause a greater number of people than them discomfort and inconvenience, deride the uninvolved people who suffer said consequences as being selfish if they complain, and hiss that the victims should have prepared for the eventuality at their own expense.
If we were talking about a movie or some other situation where one can be expected to return home in a brief enough amount of time that hiring a sitter would be feasible, you'd have a point. This being public transportation, however, you are full of shit. Screaming kids is one of the risks you take when you take public transport, because parents have places to be, too, and every bit as much a right to be there as you do. You aren't the only one who bought a ticket, buddy. Bring earphones or get a $1 pack of earplugs.
And, before you try, I'm saying this as a childless person who finds the sound of a screaming child unpleasant for both the usual reasons *and* the sensory issues it causes me. It's one of several reasons I'm rarely without headphones (and never by choice).
by Caracasus » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:42 am
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by Jebslund » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:50 am
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Jebslund wrote:If we were talking about a movie or some other situation where one can be expected to return home in a brief enough amount of time that hiring a sitter would be feasible, you'd have a point. This being public transportation, however, you are full of shit. Screaming kids is one of the risks you take when you take public transport, because parents have places to be, too, and every bit as much a right to be there as you do. You aren't the only one who bought a ticket, buddy. Bring earphones or get a $1 pack of earplugs.
And, before you try, I'm saying this as a childless person who finds the sound of a screaming child unpleasant for both the usual reasons *and* the sensory issues it causes me. It's one of several reasons I'm rarely without headphones (and never by choice).
$1 earplugs would barely take the edge off. You of all people know that effectively shutting out the noise would require quite expensive noise-cancelling headphones. Having a child involves sacrifices, why not have an inability to travel long distance without compensating your fellow travellers be part of those sacrifices? It seems very proportionate and very socially oriented towards the common welfare, refusal could only be selfish.
You've been corrupted by the breeder lobby, awaken from your false consciousness.
by Dumb Ideologies » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:58 am
Jebslund wrote:Dumb Ideologies wrote:
$1 earplugs would barely take the edge off. You of all people know that effectively shutting out the noise would require quite expensive noise-cancelling headphones. Having a child involves sacrifices, why not have an inability to travel long distance without compensating your fellow travellers be part of those sacrifices? It seems very proportionate and very socially oriented towards the common welfare, refusal could only be selfish.
You've been corrupted by the breeder lobby, awaken from your false consciousness.
Expensive? I use a pair of $12 earphones I bought at fucking Walgreens and I can usually tune the surrounding noise out entirely.
As to sacrificing long-distance, can we also ban left-wingers, right-wingers, people who feel the need to constantly badger strangers for attention only to relate patently obvious "revelations" and ask questions a toddler could answer, people with stupid hairstyles, people who wear too much cologne/perfume, boisterous teens, idiots who feel their desire to recline trumps the person behind them's need for space, idiots who make it a point to belch/fart as loudly as possible, idiots who don't know how to properly cover their fucking mouths/noses when they cough/sneeze, and anyone anyone finds annoying from flights, too, or shall we simply accept that your fare for economy class does not include a guarantee that no one on the flight will annoy you and handle it like mature adults (that is to say, either deal with it or prepare for it.)?
by Ifreann » Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:03 am
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Jebslund wrote:Expensive? I use a pair of $12 earphones I bought at fucking Walgreens and I can usually tune the surrounding noise out entirely.
As to sacrificing long-distance, can we also ban left-wingers, right-wingers, people who feel the need to constantly badger strangers for attention only to relate patently obvious "revelations" and ask questions a toddler could answer, people with stupid hairstyles, people who wear too much cologne/perfume, boisterous teens, idiots who feel their desire to recline trumps the person behind them's need for space, idiots who make it a point to belch/fart as loudly as possible, idiots who don't know how to properly cover their fucking mouths/noses when they cough/sneeze, and anyone anyone finds annoying from flights, too, or shall we simply accept that your fare for economy class does not include a guarantee that no one on the flight will annoy you and handle it like mature adults (that is to say, either deal with it or prepare for it.)?
You've found a solution that partly mitigates the problem for you. But if all must prepare that is effectively a 12 dollar tax on all the other passengers who need to prepare for this eventuality, and even at that piece you admit that the solution is incompete and partial at blocking out the sound. The mature adult response, taking into account the welfare of all, would be to not take a child on to a flight. When other people don't act like mature adults (such as by bringing a child onto a flight) we need to challenge, criticize and encourage their punishment, otherwise bad behaviour will prevail. It is our duty as good citizens to strive against selfishness in such ways.
by Caracasus » Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:04 am
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Jebslund wrote:Expensive? I use a pair of $12 earphones I bought at fucking Walgreens and I can usually tune the surrounding noise out entirely.
As to sacrificing long-distance, can we also ban left-wingers, right-wingers, people who feel the need to constantly badger strangers for attention only to relate patently obvious "revelations" and ask questions a toddler could answer, people with stupid hairstyles, people who wear too much cologne/perfume, boisterous teens, idiots who feel their desire to recline trumps the person behind them's need for space, idiots who make it a point to belch/fart as loudly as possible, idiots who don't know how to properly cover their fucking mouths/noses when they cough/sneeze, and anyone anyone finds annoying from flights, too, or shall we simply accept that your fare for economy class does not include a guarantee that no one on the flight will annoy you and handle it like mature adults (that is to say, either deal with it or prepare for it.)?
The mature adult response, taking into account the welfare of all, would be to not take a child on to a flight. When other people don't act like mature adults (such as by bringing a child onto a flight) we need to challenge, criticize and encourage their punishment, otherwise bad behaviour will prevail. It is our duty as good citizens to strive against selfishness in such ways.
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:08 am
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by An Alan Smithee Nation » Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:11 am
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