How do we abolish tipping without harming employees?

[The Graceful Isles]

We don't have tipping in Australia. We generally pay our workers more, so perhaps that's the solution?

[Post War America]

We don't have tipping in Australia. We generally pay our workers more, so perhaps that's the solution?

Don't you know that the job creators won't be able to create jobs if they are required to pay their workers a wage that someone can pay rent with?

[Petrasylvania]

We don't have tipping in Australia. We generally pay our workers more, so perhaps that's the solution?

Don't you know that the job creators won't be able to create jobs if they are required to pay their workers a wage that someone can pay rent with?

Australian wildlife results in a high mortality rate so thet have to pay high wages just to get employees. *nod*

[Post War America]

Don't you know that the job creators won't be able to create jobs if they are required to pay their workers a wage that someone can pay rent with?

Australian wildlife results in a high mortality rate so thet have to pay high wages just to get employees. *nod*

So the solution is clearly to import hundreds of thousands of Cassowaries and venomous snakes from Australia then? I approve of this idea.

[Telconi]

You said giving money to people working for you isn't tipping, so therefore it isn't a tip to give money to my waiter, because they're waiting on me...

People waiting on you don't work for you. They work for whatever establishment you're in.

Fucking hell, do you not understand that "work for" and "employed by" are synonymous?

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Then why do I tip them?

Why do you pay for the food the chef made if the chef doesn't work for you?


Maybe because you're the customer?

They're not synonymous, you're just playing this fool game because your "lol you don't tip construction workers" fell flat.

[Kaggeceria]

Pay them higher wages.

Tips only exist because diners and other such places can legally pay their workers like $2 an hour if it's a tip-based business.

[Telconi]

Pay them higher wages.

Tips only exist because diners and other such places can legally pay their workers like $2 an hour if it's a tip-based business.

Tipping exists here, and there is no alternate wage. As previously stated, I have tupped construction workers, I get tipped pretty regularly, and I make well over minimum wage.

[Friendly Cannibals]

Increase the damned minimum wage, duh. And don't let waitstaff get paid less than that because 'tips will cover it.'

I hate America sometimes . . .

[Petrasylvania]

Here's another poll option:

Tipping should not be the primary source of income.

[Kannap]

Pay them higher wages.

Tips only exist because diners and other such places can legally pay their workers like $2 an hour if it's a tip-based business.

Tipping exists here, and there is no alternate wage. As previously stated, I have tupped construction workers, I get tipped pretty regularly, and I make well over minimum wage.

In most of the United States, the minimum wage for tipped positions is $2.13 per hour as long as the employee makes enough in tips during their shift to add to that and equal the federal minimum wage. So pretty much, as long as they make $5 in tips per hour, their employer can escape with paying them only $2.13 an hour.

Some states require a higher minimum wage for tipped positions, sure, but still the majority of them fall below the federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour.

[Telconi]

Tipping exists here, and there is no alternate wage. As previously stated, I have tupped construction workers, I get tipped pretty regularly, and I make well over minimum wage.

In most of the United States, the minimum wage for tipped positions is $2.13 per hour as long as the employee makes enough in tips during their shift to add to that and equal the federal minimum wage. So pretty much, as long as they make $5 in tips per hour, their employer can escape with paying them only $2.13 an hour.

Some states require a higher minimum wage for tipped positions, sure, but still the majority of them fall below the federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour.

Oh, I know, I'm just saying that tipping is still a common practice even when the workers are paid the same minimum wage as everyone else.

[Ifreann]

People waiting on you don't work for you. They work for whatever establishment you're in.

Fucking hell, do you not understand that "work for" and "employed by" are synonymous?

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Why do you pay for the food the chef made if the chef doesn't work for you?


Maybe because you're the customer?

I, for one, support not dining out unless you can purchase the restaurant and become the owner before dining there.

I don't know how this will impact the service industry. I guess we'll just have to try it and find out.

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People waiting on you don't work for you. They work for whatever establishment you're in.

Fucking hell, do you not understand that "work for" and "employed by" are synonymous?

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Why do you pay for the food the chef made if the chef doesn't work for you?


Maybe because you're the customer?

They're not synonymous,

you're just playing this fool game because your "lol you don't tip construction workers" fell flat.

It wasn't a joke. I was trying to invite discussion about why some workers are tipped and not others. You know, that thing I said. Which you surely read, because you quoted it.

[Telconi]

I, for one, support not dining out unless you can purchase the restaurant and become the owner before dining there.

I don't know how this will impact the service industry. I guess we'll just have to try it and find out.

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They're not synonymous,

you're just playing this fool game because your "lol you don't tip construction workers" fell flat.

It wasn't a joke. I was trying to invite discussion about why some workers are tipped and not others. You know, that thing I said. Which you surely read, because you quoted it.

Your nifty Google screenshot is nice.

However, this is hardly universal, if it holds true anywhere. If my boss called me and asked me who I was working for, the answer would not be "AT&T, duh!" I would say "Salvador Diaz" (the name of the customer on my currently assigned work order). Likewise, when I previously worked construction, the phrase "I am working for..." would be followed up by the name of the customer, not the name of my employer.

I also never said your question was a joke, it fell flat as it's premise is presumptive and not necessarily true, as I stated, before you decided to pursue this semantic bullshit, is that yes, I have, do, and will, tip construction workers. I also tip mechanics, car salesmen, service techs, gun dealers, and often times the kitchen and front end staff of restaurants if they're not tipped out.

[Kannap]

In most of the United States, the minimum wage for tipped positions is $2.13 per hour as long as the employee makes enough in tips during their shift to add to that and equal the federal minimum wage. So pretty much, as long as they make $5 in tips per hour, their employer can escape with paying them only $2.13 an hour.

Some states require a higher minimum wage for tipped positions, sure, but still the majority of them fall below the federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour.

Oh, I know, I'm just saying that tipping is still a common practice even when the workers are paid the same minimum wage as everyone else.

As it should be. I am not arguing that tipping is a bad thing but using tipping as an excuse to not pay your employees the federal minimum wage is a bad thing. Pay your employees $7.25 and then the tips they get are sweet but not as necessary to ensure they can make rent that month.

[Petrasylvania]

I don't know how this will impact the service industry. I guess we'll just have to try it and find out.

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It wasn't a joke. I was trying to invite discussion about why some workers are tipped and not others. You know, that thing I said. Which you surely read, because you quoted it.

Your nifty Google screenshot is nice.

However, this is hardly universal, if it holds true anywhere. If my boss called me and asked me who I was working for, the answer would not be "AT&T, duh!" I would say "Salvador Diaz" (the name of the customer on my currently assigned work order). Likewise, when I previously worked construction, the phrase "I am working for..." would be followed up by the name of the customer, not the name of my employer.

I also never said your question was a joke, it fell flat as it's premise is presumptive and not necessarily true, as I stated, before you decided to pursue this semantic bullshit, is that yes, I have, do, and will, tip construction workers. I also tip mechanics, car salesmen, service techs, gun dealers, and often times the kitchen and front end staff of restaurants if they're not tipped out.

And your boss would be understandable if he told you to clean up your desk and have Salvador Diaz pay your salary from now on.

[Ifreann]

I don't know how this will impact the service industry. I guess we'll just have to try it and find out.

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It wasn't a joke. I was trying to invite discussion about why some workers are tipped and not others. You know, that thing I said. Which you surely read, because you quoted it.

Your nifty Google screenshot is nice.

Thanks. I've never used Firefox's built in screenshot function before, it's handy.

However, this is hardly universal, if it hilds true anywhere.

Very obviously it holds true.

If My boss called me and asked me who I was working for, the answer would not be "AT&T, duh!" I would say "Salvador Diaz" (the name of the customer on my currently assigned work order). Likewise, when I previously worked construction, the phrase "I am working for..." would be followed up by the name of the customer, not the name of my employer.

Wow, a phrase can have more than one meaning in different contexts.

Just like literally every phrase.

I also never said your question was a joke, it fell flat as it's premise is presumptive and not necessarily true, as I stated, before you decided to peruse this semantic bullshit, is that yes, I have, do, and will, tip construction workers. I also tip mechanics, car salesmen, service techs, gun dealers, and often times the kitchen and front end staff of restaurants if they're not tipped out.

Thanks. None of this really advances the inquiry, but good for you.

[Telconi]

Your nifty Google screenshot is nice.

However, this is hardly universal, if it holds true anywhere. If my boss called me and asked me who I was working for, the answer would not be "AT&T, duh!" I would say "Salvador Diaz" (the name of the customer on my currently assigned work order). Likewise, when I previously worked construction, the phrase "I am working for..." would be followed up by the name of the customer, not the name of my employer.

I also never said your question was a joke, it fell flat as it's premise is presumptive and not necessarily true, as I stated, before you decided to pursue this semantic bullshit, is that yes, I have, do, and will, tip construction workers. I also tip mechanics, car salesmen, service techs, gun dealers, and often times the kitchen and front end staff of restaurants if they're not tipped out.

And your boss would be understandable if he told you to clean up your desk and have Salvador Diaz pay your salary from now on.

Well, he wouldn't do that, because he isn't stupid.

[Trumptonium1]

Places without tipping don't have tipping because the higher wages translate to higher prices and people don't see the point of tipping when the service is expensive in the first place. No point trying to compare that. Unless it's cultural, like Japan.

That said I don't 'tip' a set percent, I merely round up to closest pound. But then the restaurants in the south don't typically underpay and have high enough prices already. If they want 20 for a pizza the size of a 2.50 pound Sainsbury's one then I expect the waiter to serenade me and juggle the plates for a tip. Besides it makes more sense to tip the chef anyway.

[Jazz Commies and Sexy Astrophysicists]

Giving employees a standard, living wage in my opinion is superior to the current system, although I have heard from some people I know that they make a fair bit more than minimum wage most days from tips. I think it is ultimately more important that customers stop covering for businesses and paying their employees for them.

[A m e n r i a]

We don't abolish tipping because it's not even a thing. It's not normal nor will it be in the near future. If you leave some cash at the table of a restaurant which isn't your bill, chances are the staff will follow you and give it back.