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Ifreann wrote:

Telconi wrote:
If they were working for me? Yeah.

That's wages, not tips. I'm curious as to why, even though people say that tips are a reward for especially good service, tipping is only common in some lines of work.

Telconi wrote:

Ifreann wrote:When you pay people for their labour, that's employment, and what you're paying them is wages...

You asked if I'd tip these people, I said yes, and now you're saying it isn't a tip if I do?

Ifreann wrote:

Telconi wrote:
You asked if I'd tip these people, I said yes, and now you're saying it isn't a tip if I do?

I asked Scomagia about passing money to construction workers if he happened to pass a construction site. And you said that would would give them money if they worked for you.

You get how giving money to the people who work for you is not the same as tipping, yeah?

Telconi wrote:

Ifreann wrote:I asked Scomagia about passing money to construction workers if he happened to pass a construction site. And you said that would would give them money if they worked for you.

You get how giving money to the people who work for you is not the same as tipping, yeah?

Its only tipping if they aren't working for me? So, like if I give my waiter money it isn't a tip, I have to give the other table's waiter money?

Ifreann wrote:

Telconi wrote:
Its only tipping if they aren't working for me? So, like if I give my waiter money it isn't a tip, I have to give the other table's waiter money?

...what?

The South Falls wrote:

The Huskar Social Union wrote:How about the radical idea of paying them a decent regular wage.

*mind explodes*

I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!


I THOUGHT PAYING PEOPLE DECENTLY WAS COMMUNISM!

NS Miami Shores wrote:

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_vivC7c_1k

So apparently tipping used to be considered a bribe for better service than everyone else, and it only became normalized during the prohibition era when businesses resorted to it as a last-ditch means to stay open.

I'm not too surprised. The entire concept of leaving it up to the consumer to determine how much money an employee makes is only going to fleece those who care the most, leaving them with less money than those who care the least. Everyone should be skeptical of a custom that results in that.

Also, if waiters and cooks don't make enough money, isn't that what the minimum wage is for? If it's too low, raise it. If it's inadequately enforced, enforce it. There ought to be a law that any business proven to underpay workers has all its assets seized.

In the meantime, how do we phase out the custom of tipping without harming employees in the process?

I used to be a busser and got part of the tips $, I made good money $, I know how hard the waitresses and waiters work, I know good tippers $ and bad tippers $, what is needed is a no tax on tips $ law, like in all my RP nations, with one exception, I once did a no tax on tips law in your nations RP thread and I was surprised by the overwhelming support it received.

This thread needs a good poll, like Tipping $ vote and Post?

1 We support tipping $ waitresses and waiters
2 We oppose tipping $ waitresses and waite We support tipping $ waitresses and waiters
3 We support tipping $ other service workers, post which kinds of workers you would tip
4 We oppose tipping workers.
5 We support a No Tax on Tips $ Law.
6 We support a Tax on Tips $ Law.

It is our OP Thread Host's right to create the Poll not mine, it is our OP Thread Host's right to post the Poll questions as I posted it, or in the OP's own words and style.

Lets all encourgage our OP Thread Host LimaUniformNovemberAlpha to create a good Poll on our posts.

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:

NS Miami Shores wrote:I used to be a busser and got part of the tips $, I made good money $, I know how hard the waitresses and waiters work, I know good tippers $ and bad tippers $, what is needed is a no tax on tips $ law, like in all my RP nations, with one exception, I once did a no tax on tips law in your nations RP thread and I was surprised by the overwhelming support it received.

This thread needs a good poll, like Tipping $ vote and Post?

1 We support tipping $ waitresses and waiters
2 We oppose tipping $ waitresses and waite We support tipping $ waitresses and waiters
3 We support tipping $ other service workers, post which kinds of workers you would tip
4 We oppose tipping workers.
5 We support a No Tax on Tips $ Law.
6 We support a Tax on Tips $ Law.

It is our OP Thread Host's right to create the Poll not mine, it is our OP Thread Host's right to post the Poll questions as I posted it, or in the OP's own words and style.

Lets all encourgage our OP Thread Host LimaUniformNovemberAlpha to create a good Poll on our posts.

I've decided to remove the $ symbol from the poll options, but otherwise leave you idea intact. Thank you for your idea and your elaboration on it!

NS Miami Shores wrote:

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:I've decided to remove the $ symbol from the poll options, but otherwise leave you idea intact. Thank you for your idea and your elaboration on it!

Thank you for the Poll as I Posted it, but it needs to be a maxium of 3 options, as each option is the opposite option, thank you.

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:

NS Miami Shores wrote:Thank you for the Poll as I Posted it, but it needs to be a maxium of 3 options, as each option is the opposite option, thank you.

"Tax on tips" vs. "no tax on tips" can be in conjunction with just about any of the first 3 options. (Not the 4th, obviously.) It's not as significant as the tips themselves anyway, for obvious reasons. In light of this, I've since modified the poll to omit the issue of taxes on tips and edited the OP accordingly.

Telconi wrote:

Ifreann wrote:...what?

You said giving money to people working for you isn't tipping, so therefore it isn't a tip to give money to my waiter, because they're waiting on me...

Petrasylvania wrote:

Telconi wrote:
You said giving money to people working for you isn't tipping, so therefore it isn't a tip to give money to my waiter, because they're waiting on me...

Playing semantics just to score points, sad. A waiter serving you isn't working for you unless you own the restaurant, but you knew that already.

Telconi wrote:

Petrasylvania wrote:Playing semantics just to score points, sad. A waiter serving you isn't working for you unless you own the restaurant, but you knew that already.

Then why do I tip them?

Petrasylvania wrote:

Telconi wrote:
Then why do I tip them?

Because you liked their service? Although I doubt you actually tip a waiter no matter how good.

Telconi wrote:

Petrasylvania wrote:Because you liked their service? Although I doubt you actually tip a waiter no matter how good.

How can I like service they didn't render me?

Also, of course you do, because making up negative traits towards folks you dislike seems to be a common pass time of yours.

Petrasylvania wrote:

Telconi wrote:
How can I like service they didn't render me?

Also, of course you do, because making up negative traits towards folks you dislike seems to be a common pass time of yours.

So you go pick up your own orders from the kitchen at a restaurant? How cute.

Telconi wrote:

Petrasylvania wrote:So you go pick up your own orders from the kitchen at a restaurant? How cute.

Oh, no, the waiter generally does, you know, taking my order, and bringing it from the kitchen, and checking on rather I need any extra beverages, or desserthe. or anything, you know what I'mean talking about right? That work that they do for me...

Petrasylvania wrote:

Telconi wrote:
Oh, no, the waiter generally does, you know, taking my order, and bringing it from the kitchen, and checking on rather I need any extra beverages, or desserthe. or anything, you know what I'mean talking about right? That work that they do for me...

Service, not work. Are they your actual employees? Keep playing the semantics game, your desperate need to win a debate is charming. :^]

Telconi wrote:

Ifreann wrote:...what?

You said giving money to people working for you isn't tipping, so therefore it isn't a tip to give money to my waiter, because they're waiting on me...

Telconi wrote:

Petrasylvania wrote:Playing semantics just to score points, sad. A waiter serving you isn't working for you unless you own the restaurant, but you knew that already.

Then why do I tip them?

Digital Planets wrote:We abolish employees without harming tipping.

Ifreann wrote:

Telconi wrote:
You said giving money to people working for you isn't tipping, so therefore it isn't a tip to give money to my waiter, because they're waiting on me...

People waiting on you don't work for you. They work for whatever establishment you're in.

Fucking hell, do you not understand that "work for" and "employed by" are synonymous?

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Telconi wrote:
Then why do I tip them?

Why do you pay for the food the chef made if the chef doesn't work for you?


Maybe because you're the customer?