How do we abolish tipping without harming employees?

[Ethel mermania]

If they were working for me? Yeah.

That's wages, not tips. I'm curious as to why, even though people say that tips are a reward for especially good service, tipping is only common in some lines of work.

I tip delivery folks. I tipped the guys who delivered and set up some furniture. The kids teachers always got gift cards at xmas and the end of the year. The mailman gets a tip, baggage handlers at airports. Maids in hotels...

Never my Opthalmolist though. Heart surgeon never got an extra dime.

[Ifreann]

When you pay people for their labour, that's employment, and what you're paying them is wages...

You asked if I'd tip these people, I said yes, and now you're saying it isn't a tip if I do?

I asked Scomagia about passing money to construction workers if he happened to pass a construction site. And you said that would would give them money if they worked for you.

You get how giving money to the people who work for you is not the same as tipping, yeah?

[Telconi]

You asked if I'd tip these people, I said yes, and now you're saying it isn't a tip if I do?

I asked Scomagia about passing money to construction workers if he happened to pass a construction site. And you said that would would give them money if they worked for you.

You get how giving money to the people who work for you is not the same as tipping, yeah?

Its only tipping if they aren't working for me? So, like if I give my waiter money it isn't a tip, I have to give the other table's waiter money?

[Ifreann]

I asked Scomagia about passing money to construction workers if he happened to pass a construction site. And you said that would would give them money if they worked for you.

You get how giving money to the people who work for you is not the same as tipping, yeah?

Its only tipping if they aren't working for me? So, like if I give my waiter money it isn't a tip, I have to give the other table's waiter money?

...what?

[Telconi]

Its only tipping if they aren't working for me? So, like if I give my waiter money it isn't a tip, I have to give the other table's waiter money?

...what?

You said giving money to people working for you isn't tipping, so therefore it isn't a tip to give money to my waiter, because they're waiting on me...

[NS Miami Shores]

How about the radical idea of paying them a decent regular wage.

*mind explodes*

I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!


I THOUGHT PAYING PEOPLE DECENTLY WAS COMMUNISM!

lol, i'm having a lol attack from experience, good one.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_vivC7c_1k

So apparently tipping used to be considered a bribe for better service than everyone else, and it only became normalized during the prohibition era when businesses resorted to it as a last-ditch means to stay open.

I'm not too surprised. The entire concept of leaving it up to the consumer to determine how much money an employee makes is only going to fleece those who care the most, leaving them with less money than those who care the least. Everyone should be skeptical of a custom that results in that.

Also, if waiters and cooks don't make enough money, isn't that what the minimum wage is for? If it's too low, raise it. If it's inadequately enforced, enforce it. There ought to be a law that any business proven to underpay workers has all its assets seized.

In the meantime, how do we phase out the custom of tipping without harming employees in the process?

I used to be a busser and got part of the tips $, I made good money $, I know how hard the waitresses and waiters work, I know good tippers $ and bad tippers $, what is needed is a no tax on tips $ law, like in all my RP nations, with one exception, I once did a no tax on tips law in your nations RP thread and I was surprised by the overwhelming support it received.

This thread needs a good poll, like Tipping $ vote and Post?

1 We support tipping $ waitresses and waiters
2 We oppose tipping $ waitresses and waite We support tipping $ waitresses and waiters
3 We support tipping $ other service workers, post which kinds of workers you would tip
4 We oppose tipping workers.
5 We support a No Tax on Tips $ Law.
6 We support a Tax on Tips $ Law.

It is our OP Thread Host's right to create the Poll not mine, it is our OP Thread Host's right to post the Poll questions as I posted it, or in the OP's own words and style.

Lets all encourgage our OP Thread Host LimaUniformNovemberAlpha to create a good Poll on our posts.

I've decided to remove the $ symbol from the poll options, but otherwise leave you idea intact. Thank you for your idea and your elaboration on it!

[NS Miami Shores]

I used to be a busser and got part of the tips $, I made good money $, I know how hard the waitresses and waiters work, I know good tippers $ and bad tippers $, what is needed is a no tax on tips $ law, like in all my RP nations, with one exception, I once did a no tax on tips law in your nations RP thread and I was surprised by the overwhelming support it received.

This thread needs a good poll, like Tipping $ vote and Post?

1 We support tipping $ waitresses and waiters
2 We oppose tipping $ waitresses and waite We support tipping $ waitresses and waiters
3 We support tipping $ other service workers, post which kinds of workers you would tip
4 We oppose tipping workers.
5 We support a No Tax on Tips $ Law.
6 We support a Tax on Tips $ Law.

It is our OP Thread Host's right to create the Poll not mine, it is our OP Thread Host's right to post the Poll questions as I posted it, or in the OP's own words and style.

Lets all encourgage our OP Thread Host LimaUniformNovemberAlpha to create a good Poll on our posts.

I've decided to remove the $ symbol from the poll options, but otherwise leave you idea intact. Thank you for your idea and your elaboration on it!

Thank you for the Poll as I Posted it, but it needs to be a maxium of 3 options, as each option is the opposite option, thank you.

[Hamstan]

I'm ok with tipping. Way I see it, it's a parting gift for an otherwise thankless job. I won't tip sometimes for three reasons.

1. If it's a McDonald's type place. Those workers are usually too busy to take a tip. I'll let them keep change, tho.

2. If the service was absolutely awful. You don't deserve a tip if you don't respect me as a customer.

3. If there's already a bullshit "Service Charge" type thing. I'm not tipping you double if there's something like that.

I'll tip people who provide services but work for bigger companies. Example: I'll tip the plumber who comes from the town plumbing company, but I won't tip the plumber whose self employed.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

I've decided to remove the $ symbol from the poll options, but otherwise leave you idea intact. Thank you for your idea and your elaboration on it!

Thank you for the Poll as I Posted it, but it needs to be a maxium of 3 options, as each option is the opposite option, thank you.

"Tax on tips" vs. "no tax on tips" can be in conjunction with just about any of the first 3 options. (Not the 4th, obviously.) It's not as significant as the tips themselves anyway, for obvious reasons. In light of this, I've since modified the poll to omit the issue of taxes on tips and edited the OP accordingly.

[NS Miami Shores]

Thank you for the Poll as I Posted it, but it needs to be a maxium of 3 options, as each option is the opposite option, thank you.

"Tax on tips" vs. "no tax on tips" can be in conjunction with just about any of the first 3 options. (Not the 4th, obviously.) It's not as significant as the tips themselves anyway, for obvious reasons. In light of this, I've since modified the poll to omit the issue of taxes on tips and edited the OP accordingly.

Either way thank you for the good poll.

[NS Miami Shores]

We once had two guys put tile on our house, the days they worked we bought them food and drinks from Subway.

[Sovaal]

Doesn’t really matter. Sooner or later their jobs will likely be automated.

[Petrasylvania]

...what?

You said giving money to people working for you isn't tipping, so therefore it isn't a tip to give money to my waiter, because they're waiting on me...

Playing semantics just to score points, sad. A waiter serving you isn't working for you unless you own the restaurant, but you knew that already.

[Digital Planets]

We abolish employees without harming tipping.

[Telconi]

You said giving money to people working for you isn't tipping, so therefore it isn't a tip to give money to my waiter, because they're waiting on me...

Playing semantics just to score points, sad. A waiter serving you isn't working for you unless you own the restaurant, but you knew that already.

Then why do I tip them?

[Petrasylvania]

Playing semantics just to score points, sad. A waiter serving you isn't working for you unless you own the restaurant, but you knew that already.

Then why do I tip them?

Because you liked their service? Although I doubt you actually tip a waiter no matter how good.

[Telconi]

Then why do I tip them?

Because you liked their service? Although I doubt you actually tip a waiter no matter how good.

How can I like service they didn't render me?

Also, of course you do, because making up negative traits towards folks you dislike seems to be a common pass time of yours.

[Petrasylvania]

Because you liked their service? Although I doubt you actually tip a waiter no matter how good.

How can I like service they didn't render me?

Also, of course you do, because making up negative traits towards folks you dislike seems to be a common pass time of yours.

So you go pick up your own orders from the kitchen at a restaurant? How cute.

[Telconi]

How can I like service they didn't render me?

Also, of course you do, because making up negative traits towards folks you dislike seems to be a common pass time of yours.

So you go pick up your own orders from the kitchen at a restaurant? How cute.

Oh, no, the waiter generally does, you know, taking my order, and bringing it from the kitchen, and checking on rather I need any extra beverages, or dessert, or anything, you know what I'mean talking about right? That work that they do for me...

[Petrasylvania]

So you go pick up your own orders from the kitchen at a restaurant? How cute.

Oh, no, the waiter generally does, you know, taking my order, and bringing it from the kitchen, and checking on rather I need any extra beverages, or desserthe. or anything, you know what I'mean talking about right? That work that they do for me...

Service, not work. Are they your actual employees? Keep playing the semantics game, your desperate need to win a debate is charming. :^]

[Telconi]

Oh, no, the waiter generally does, you know, taking my order, and bringing it from the kitchen, and checking on rather I need any extra beverages, or desserthe. or anything, you know what I'mean talking about right? That work that they do for me...

Service, not work. Are they your actual employees? Keep playing the semantics game, your desperate need to win a debate is charming. :^]

>Insists that what waiters do isn't work.

>Accuses others of playing symantics games.

Holy belugas on pogo sticks Batman, that's some top tier projection...

[Ifreann]

...what?

You said giving money to people working for you isn't tipping, so therefore it isn't a tip to give money to my waiter, because they're waiting on me...

People waiting on you don't work for you. They work for whatever establishment you're in.

Fucking hell, do you not understand that "work for" and "employed by" are synonymous?

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Playing semantics just to score points, sad. A waiter serving you isn't working for you unless you own the restaurant, but you knew that already.

Then why do I tip them?

Why do you pay for the food the chef made if the chef doesn't work for you?


Maybe because you're the customer?

[Kannap]

We abolish employees without harming tipping.

I like this line of thinking quite a bit.

[Kannap]

You said giving money to people working for you isn't tipping, so therefore it isn't a tip to give money to my waiter, because they're waiting on me...

People waiting on you don't work for you. They work for whatever establishment you're in.

Fucking hell, do you not understand that "work for" and "employed by" are synonymous?

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Then why do I tip them?

Why do you pay for the food the chef made if the chef doesn't work for you?


Maybe because you're the customer?

I, for one, support not dining out unless you can purchase the restaurant and become the owner before dining there.