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by Greed and Death » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:29 pm
by Happsborough » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:29 pm
Petrasylvania wrote:Genivaria wrote:Raise the minimum wage and abolish the tipping loophole that allows companies to pay tipped employees less then minimum wage.
Also while we're at it reduce the work we to 4 days.
The tipping loophole also means female employees are more likely to be forced to tolerate sexual harassment from customers in order to earn a liveable amount.
by Greed and Death » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:32 pm
Genivaria wrote:Raise the minimum wage and abolish the tipping loophole that allows companies to pay tipped employees less then minimum wage.
Also while we're at it reduce the work we to 4 days.
by The Liamese Empire » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:36 pm
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_vivC7c_1k
So apparently tipping used to be considered a bribe for better service than everyone else, and it only became normalized during the prohibition era when businesses resorted to it as a last-ditch means to stay open.
I'm not too surprised. The entire concept of leaving it up to the consumer to determine how much money an employee makes is only going to fleece those who care the most, leaving them with less money than those who care the least. Everyone should be skeptical of a custom that results in that.
Also, if waiters and cooks don't make enough money, isn't that what the minimum wage is for? If it's too low, raise it. If it's inadequately enforced, enforce it. There ought to be a law that any business proven to underpay workers has all its assets seized.
In the meantime, how do we phase out the custom of tipping without harming employees in the process?
by Telconi » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:37 pm
Greed and Death wrote:Genivaria wrote:Raise the minimum wage and abolish the tipping loophole that allows companies to pay tipped employees less then minimum wage.
Also while we're at it reduce the work we to 4 days.
You know if the Employee doesn't get tipped enough to make above minimum wage the employer must pay them to make up that amount.
by Genivaria » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:50 pm
Greed and Death wrote:Genivaria wrote:Raise the minimum wage and abolish the tipping loophole that allows companies to pay tipped employees less then minimum wage.
Also while we're at it reduce the work we to 4 days.
You know if the Employee doesn't get tipped enough to make above minimum wage the employer must pay them to make up that amount.
by Ifreann » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:50 pm
Genivaria wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:I am all for minimum wage applying to all employees, I don't want to abolish tipping. Though knowing a server in a diner is getting minimum wage I would be prone to tip less.
I completely agree, tipping should be a reward for hard work, not an obligation based on the employee desperately needing it for rent.
Happsborough wrote:Petrasylvania wrote:The tipping loophole also means female employees are more likely to be forced to tolerate sexual harassment from customers in order to earn a liveable amount.
That's complete crap, as many people have said most people tip regardless of service quality. That is also not to mention the obvious implication that sexual harassment is widespread or that all men sexually harass people which is a notion that is as laughable as it is false: extremely so. Besides even if sexual harassment IS involved you're acting as if the company would FORCE the worker to endure it. Almost every restaurant I know of would boot out such a customer.
by Jebslund » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:53 pm
Greed and Death wrote:Genivaria wrote:Raise the minimum wage and abolish the tipping loophole that allows companies to pay tipped employees less then minimum wage.
Also while we're at it reduce the work we to 4 days.
You know if the Employee doesn't get tipped enough to make above minimum wage the employer must pay them to make up that amount.
by Holy Tedalonia » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:56 pm
by Indo-Malaysia » Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:30 pm
by Economic Naturalists » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:41 pm
by Telconi » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:05 pm
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Get rid of Tipped-Minimum Wage, and enforce a no tipping policy. Easy done.
by Scomagia » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:30 pm
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Get rid of Tipped-Minimum Wage, and enforce a no tipping policy. Easy done.
by Jebslund » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:34 pm
Economic Naturalists wrote:My friend used to work at a Dennys. He earned like $25 an hour. He undereported his income on tax day. Pretty sure this living wage crap is just rhetoric. If being a waiter were truly so horrible then there would be no waiters. Plenty of work in other minimum wage positions.
by Mushet » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:54 pm
by Scarast » Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:43 am
by Ifreann » Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:49 am
by Jebslund » Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:51 am
Scarast wrote:Okay, how about this:
No minimum wage, but unions can get companies to pay the right amount to people?
I mean, it works in the Scandinavian countries, and the normal “minimum wage” set by the unions comes out to around 21$/hour in Denmark.
by Ethel mermania » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:10 am
Jebslund wrote:Economic Naturalists wrote:My friend used to work at a Dennys. He earned like $25 an hour. He undereported his income on tax day. Pretty sure this living wage crap is just rhetoric. If being a waiter were truly so horrible then there would be no waiters. Plenty of work in other minimum wage positions.
Yes, because your friend is every waiter ever and no one ever gets an undesirable job because of lack of options, because we all know there are openings literally everywhere ever because we totally weren't just in a recession that has left far more job seekers than jobs...
by NS Miami Shores » Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:09 pm
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_vivC7c_1k
So apparently tipping used to be considered a bribe for better service than everyone else, and it only became normalized during the prohibition era when businesses resorted to it as a last-ditch means to stay open.
I'm not too surprised. The entire concept of leaving it up to the consumer to determine how much money an employee makes is only going to fleece those who care the most, leaving them with less money than those who care the least. Everyone should be skeptical of a custom that results in that.
Also, if waiters and cooks don't make enough money, isn't that what the minimum wage is for? If it's too low, raise it. If it's inadequately enforced, enforce it. There ought to be a law that any business proven to underpay workers has all its assets seized.
In the meantime, how do we phase out the custom of tipping without harming employees in the process?
by Telconi » Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:12 pm
Ifreann wrote:Scomagia wrote:I will happily break that policy. I will reward industrious workers as I see fit unless they get in trouble for accepting, in which case I'll just tip them discreetly.
If you happened to walk past a construction site, would you pass one of the workers money as a reward for being so industrious?
by Ifreann » Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:24 pm
by Telconi » Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:26 pm
by Ifreann » Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:28 pm
by Telconi » Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:30 pm
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