Israeli Court orders NZ citizens:pay fine for music boycott

[Olerand]

Well, the Israeli government is feeling emboldened because it has wrecked Israeli democracy so much that Netanyahu is guaranteed another term, and it has a hands off approach from Washington to do literally anything it wants.

In the long term, this strategy is extremely harmful to Israel. But perhaps Likud believes the end is neigh?

This particular issue is pretty funny, actually, considering New Zealand isn't going to do anything about this at all, and might actually push this into a diplomatic crisis if Labour wants.

I don't understand why they're doing this. They're pushing people away from their position.

Yeah... Which, knowing that the Israeli government, unlike many of its opponents, is a competent government, poses the question, do they not comprehend this? Or do they not care? I lean towards the second... But in that case, what's the end result of this?

[The Batorys]

Why would we want to get rid of NZ because of South Africa tho?

Bro I hate the holocaust, horrible thing. That doesn't mean I have to like palestinians getting their houses blown up just because a guy miles away killed people that they never saw.

Some people have no problems with countries of British heritage existing, but they can't stand the existence of a country for Jewish people. That is the anti-semitism I am talking about.

There is nothing wrong with criticising Israel. But claiming that Jewish people have no right to their own country, especially after their centuries of persecution and murder, is a massive double standard that is hard not to see as anti-semitism.

You realize that Arabs are also Semitic, right?

[Olerand]

Some people have no problems with countries of British heritage existing, but they can't stand the existence of a country for Jewish people. That is the anti-semitism I am talking about.

There is nothing wrong with criticising Israel. But claiming that Jewish people have no right to their own country, especially after their centuries of persecution and murder, is a massive double standard that is hard not to see as anti-semitism.

You realize that Arabs are also Semitic, right?

The use of the term antisemitic, historically, is in reference to the Jews. While the terminology might be dated, that is what is most commonly accepted.

[Ardoki]

Some people have no problems with countries of British heritage existing, but they can't stand the existence of a country for Jewish people. That is the anti-semitism I am talking about.

There is nothing wrong with criticising Israel. But claiming that Jewish people have no right to their own country, especially after their centuries of persecution and murder, is a massive double standard that is hard not to see as anti-semitism.

You realize that Arabs are also Semitic, right?

Anti-semitism is hatred of Jews. That is the definition.

Why are you trying to redefine it? Are you a Holocaust denier?

EDIT: https://thegerasites.wordpress.com/2015/03/19/you-know-what-it-means-so-why-are-you-bullshitting/

[Yohannes]

Wait, how did Israel even find out that the teenagers wrote to Lorde?

Fairly sure it was a matter of simply looking in New Zealand media and working from there.

Yeah, it was pretty big (and sensationalised as usual) on stuff (news). had a couple of (disappointing) comments as well going by memory though that's typical of Stuff (and every NZ media except scoop and spinoff) I guess

[Right wing humour squad]

Good for Israel. Just because some people in NZ bought the insurgent propaganda doesn’t mean that they should be exempt from the harm the Jordanian insurgency has caused.

People are only going to stop pushing this “Palestinian” nonsense when they get fined for doing so.

[Olerand]

Good for Israel. Just because some people in NZ bought the insurgent propaganda doesn’t mean that they should be exempt from the harm the Jordanian insurgency has caused.

People are only going to stop pushing this “Palestinian” nonsense when they get fined for doing so.

But there is no way they'll actually be fined. They live in New Zealand.

[Right wing humour squad]

Good for Israel. Just because some people in NZ bought the insurgent propaganda doesn’t mean that they should be exempt from the harm the Jordanian insurgency has caused.

People are only going to stop pushing this “Palestinian” nonsense when they get fined for doing so.

But there is no way they'll actually be fined. They live in New Zealand.

The New Zealand government should accept that they are guilty.

[Caracasus]

I guess BDS is having an effect or laws against it are enforced in a way that throws up some rather embarrasing unintended consequences.

[Olerand]

But there is no way they'll actually be fined. They live in New Zealand.

The New Zealand government should accept that they are guilty.

... But it won't. Them being charged in an Israeli court has literally no relevance to them, New Zealand won't accept this unilateral Israeli decision affecting citizens who have never even showed up to the court.

[Bakery Hill]

People are so moralistic these days, if you don't like something then vote with your feet. Except don't do that. If you do that or advocate that you should be fined and jailed, for going against my highly selective moral values.

[Caracasus]

People are so moralistic these days, if you don't like something then vote with your feet. Except don't do that. If you do that or advocate that you should be fined and jailed, for going against my highly selective moral values.

If the Israeli courts enforce this against foreign citizens, you've got to wonder what the government does to its own citizens who speak out against its actions.

[Olerand]

People are so moralistic these days, if you don't like something then vote with your feet. Except don't do that. If you do that or advocate that you should be fined and jailed, for going against my highly selective moral values.

If the Israeli courts enforce this against foreign citizens, you've got to wonder what the government does to its own citizens who speak out against its actions.

Actually less than it does to foreigners, I believe. It helps that that causes less of an outrage, needs less of an actual court case, and causes less of a confrontation with the Supreme Court.

[Right wing humour squad]

The New Zealand government should accept that they are guilty.

... But it won't. Them being charged in an Israeli court has literally no relevance to them, New Zealand won't accept this unilateral Israeli decision affecting citizens who have never even showed up to the court.

That aside from the point that they should.

[Bakery Hill]

... But it won't. Them being charged in an Israeli court has literally no relevance to them, New Zealand won't accept this unilateral Israeli decision affecting citizens who have never even showed up to the court.

That aside from the point that they should.

Why?

[Bakery Hill]

Also the women charged did not even receive notice or summons until after the case had been decided. They heard about it on the news.

[The South Falls]

Also the women charged did not even receive notice or summons until after the case had been decided. They heard about it on the news.

Here's my question. Was Israel going to pick them up or something? Otherwise this is all toothless and thereby useless.

[Right wing humour squad]

That aside from the point that they should.

Why?

Good for Israel. Just because some people in NZ bought the insurgent propaganda doesn’t mean that they should be exempt from the harm the Jordanian insurgency has caused.

People are only going to stop pushing this “Palestinian” nonsense when they get fined for doing so.

[Bakery Hill]

Why?

Good for Israel. Just because some people in NZ bought the insurgent propaganda doesn’t mean that they should be exempt from the harm the Jordanian insurgency has caused.

People are only going to stop pushing this “Palestinian” nonsense when they get fined for doing so.

I don't understand your argument, why should they be fined?

[Bakery Hill]

Also the women charged did not even receive notice or summons until after the case had been decided. They heard about it on the news.

Here's my question. Was Israel going to pick them up or something? Otherwise this is all toothless and thereby useless.

Maybe Mossad will steal their Yaris off the street or something.

[Right wing humour squad]

I don't understand your argument, why should they be fined?

For promoting insurgent propaganda. It’s fine to believe and state your belief in it, but it’s criminal or should be to act upon it.

[Olerand]

... But it won't. Them being charged in an Israeli court has literally no relevance to them, New Zealand won't accept this unilateral Israeli decision affecting citizens who have never even showed up to the court.

That aside from the point that they should.

But it isn't. This is a foreign court judging your citizens in a trial with which they have never participated. No one would recognize this. It's a fundamental violation of your sovereignty.

Thus, this is useless, and stupid.

[Right wing humour squad]

That aside from the point that they should.

But it isn't. This is a foreign court judging your citizens in a trial with which they have never participated. No one would recognize this. It's a fundamental violation of your sovereignty.

Thus, this is useless, and stupid.

Sure the courts should have done it better and it should fail because of that. But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be able to prosecute at all.

[Olerand]

But it isn't. This is a foreign court judging your citizens in a trial with which they have never participated. No one would recognize this. It's a fundamental violation of your sovereignty.

Thus, this is useless, and stupid.

Sure the courts should have done it better and it should fail because of that. But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be able to prosecute at all.

Clearly, Israel prosecuted anyway. But again, no one would have recognized such a kangaroo court's proceedings. So...

[Bakery Hill]

I don't understand your argument, why should they be fined?

For promoting insurgent propaganda. It’s fine to believe and state your belief in it, but it’s criminal or should be to act upon it.

They did not round off their letter to Lorde with a celebration of the Al Aqsa Martyr's Brigade. Advocating sanctions or boycotts against the current Israeli state is not insurgent propaganda. That would not stand even in an Israeli court of law (at the moment) which is why they were not charged with anything like that.