On the terms "males" and "females..."

[Augustus Legions]

anyone who touches my american language must be shot for unpatriotism

[USS Monitor]

It's unwise to change anything. It's the natural order of life for certain species to have only males and females. After all, we aren't earthworms or other vastly different species with a different methods of reproduction. So we shouldn't go around changing the terminology in an artificial manner to gratify radical sentiments.

Agreed. Enough with this gender neutral pronouns, and fake genders being created on a whim.

Gender neutral pronouns are useful for a variety of reasons, even if people aren't using snowflakey gender identities. Let's say you're on the internet and there's another poster that you don't know if they're a man or a woman. They haven't said anything about being trans. You just don't know their gender and you can't see what they look like because it's the internet. It's good to have a gender-neutral pronoun that you can use as a placeholder until you learn their actual gender.

If you want women to be attached to their female gender identity, then calling us "he" is really counterproductive.

[Australian rePublic]

If you ask me, this whole system of gender-neutral pronouns is redundant. Sure, referring to people as "they" works IN ENGLISH, but then you get a binary gendered language (Italian, Hebrew, Irish, etc.) where EVERY SINGLE NOUN, coffee, chimneys, chairs etc. are either male or female, thus making GENDER-NEUTRALITY completely impossible. And it's not a small amount of uncommon languages either. We're talking about a large proportion of the world's languages. And we're not talking about uncommon languages either. The list includes French, Spanish, Arabic, etc. These languages are significant, and possibly even serve as lingua-francas in significant parts of the world. The Bible had this very problem, whereby God Himself is neither male nor female, but since gender-neutrality is impossible in Hebrew, they decided to refer to Him by masculine plurals, as gender-neutral things are usually referred to in the masculine. However, if you're gonna refer to non-binary people as "he" in gendered languages, then why not refer to them as "he" in English? See how the system doesn't work? Why cause a fuss about English speakers referring to you as neither male or female, if must refer to you as either male or female in a different language? What's the point of gender-neutral pronouns, if there is no equivalent system in a significant percentage of the world's languages? When you come up with a system that actually works in most of the world's MAJOR languages, then we'll talk. Till then, I will continue to use MOSTLY use "he/she", instead of the singular they, not because I'm a bitter transphobic person, but rather, to send a message about the futility of a language-based system created for the sole purposes of removing offensive language, considering that the system wouldn't work in the majority of the world's, predominate, requiring said languages to use the same offensive terms that you're trying to eliminate

When you can come to me with a system of referring to individual human beings with gender-neutral pronouns in languages such as French, Spanish, Hebrew and Arabic, then we'll talk

[Right wing humour squad]

Agreed. Enough with this gender neutral pronouns, and fake genders being created on a whim.

Gender neutral pronouns are useful for a variety of reasons, even if people aren't using snowflakey gender identities. Let's say you're on the internet and there's another poster that you don't know if they're a man or a woman. They haven't said anything about being trans. You just don't know their gender and you can't see what they look like because it's the internet. It's good to have a gender-neutral pronoun that you can use as a placeholder until you learn their actual gender.

If you want women to be attached to their female gender identity, then calling us "he" is really counterproductive.

There are no women on the internet.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

That still doesn't address the question of what other word to then use to refer to grown women and young girls combined.

Females. Just don't be cringy about it.

Define "cringy."

[Heloin]

Is it just me or does calling someone a male or a female both sound rather strange.

Females. Just don't be cringy about it.

Define "cringy."

Don't say it like a Ferengi.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Is it just me or does calling someone a male or a female both sound rather strange.

Define "cringy."

Don't say it like a Ferengi.

A Homo Sapiens of the male and female sexual category.

[Des-Bal]

Being able to simply and accurately define things is upsetting to people who would rather they be complicated.

Few things make me more sad than when people say “oh you’re not a female”

I personally hate it when people say "sir you didn't pay for that." Sadly my feelings have nothing to do with whether the statement is true or false.

Frankly, post-op trans people are virtually indistinguishable from cis females.

Source?

[The Huskar Social Union]

I just say Males and Females if im no saying men, boys, women, girls etc

Im not really going to change that, and dont think there is any issue using those words, the vast majority of people do.

Is it just me or does calling someone a male or a female both sound rather strange.

Define "cringy."

Don't say it like a Ferengi.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Is it just me or does calling someone a male or a female both sound rather strange.

Define "cringy."

Don't say it like a Ferengi.

That's no good to one online.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Being able to simply and accurately define things is upsetting to people who would rather they be complicated.

Few things make me more sad than when people say “oh you’re not a female”

I personally hate it when people say "sir you didn't pay for that." Sadly my feelings have nothing to do with whether the statement is true or false.

Frankly, post-op trans people are virtually indistinguishable from cis females.

Source?

The difference is that I pay 200 dollars a month so I feel slightly better about people treating me like shit

[Valentine Z]

Generally, I thought women has more iron in them, because Female.

On a more serious note, I usually call someone a "they" / "them" if I don't know their gender, as with many of the nations here. Of course, if they have a preferred pronoun, or the gender they prefer, I'll happily oblige.

And as usual, Male for men, Female for women, and that's it, really. Maybe it's culture, but Asians are not exactly that upset about being misgendered or on the type of pronoun I use towards them... a good 99% of the time.

[Page]

I think the words male and female are useful in medical and scientific contexts. If I were specifically talking about a transgender person and there was a need to reference their biological sex, I would use the acronyms AFAB and AMAB (assigned female/male at birth) which I think everyone, as far as I know, finds acceptable.

What I do find offputting is how incel types use "female" when describing any girl or woman but do not use "male", which seems quite deliberate, so I find that misogynistic in context.

[Risottia]

anyone who touches my american language must be shot for unpatriotism

What "American" language? Cherokee, maybe?

[The Batorys]

Being able to simply and accurately define things is upsetting to people who would rather they be complicated.


I personally hate it when people say "sir you didn't pay for that." Sadly my feelings have nothing to do with whether the statement is true or false.


Source?

The difference is that I pay 200 dollars a month so I feel slightly better about people treating me like shit

You know Des-Bal is a date rapist, right?

[Internationalist Bastard]

The difference is that I pay 200 dollars a month so I feel slightly better about people treating me like shit

You know Des-Bal is a date rapist, right?

No matter how I fee about them I’d like a source to that claim

[The Batorys]

You know Des-Bal is a date rapist, right?

No matter how I fee about them I’d like a source to that claim

It'll take some digging.

It used to be common knowledge on here.

[Des-Bal]

You know Des-Bal is a date rapist, right?

What the actual fuck?

It'll take some digging.

Feel free to do your digging before you make serious and spurious accusations about people.

[Belle Ilse en Terre]

Agreed. Enough with this gender neutral pronouns, and fake genders being created on a whim.

Gender neutral pronouns are useful for a variety of reasons, even if people aren't using snowflakey gender identities. Let's say you're on the internet and there's another poster that you don't know if they're a man or a woman. They haven't said anything about being trans. You just don't know their gender and you can't see what they look like because it's the internet. It's good to have a gender-neutral pronoun that you can use as a placeholder until you learn their actual gender.

If you want women to be attached to their female gender identity, then calling us "he" is really counterproductive.

How about ‘he or she’?

The term ‘ladies’ might be also be a viable replacement for females.

[Hamstan]

when I saw this whole thread



In all seriousness, I don't care what you identify as. As the great philosopher Markiplier once said: "You do you, and I'll do me, but we won't do each other...probably"

[Internationalist Bastard]

when I saw this whole thread

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In all seriousness, I don't care what you identify as. As the great philosopher Markiplier once said: "You do you, and I'll do me, but we won't do each other...probably"

For Markiplier, I’d be happy for that

[The Batorys]

when I saw this whole thread

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In all seriousness, I don't care what you identify as. As the great philosopher Markiplier once said: "You do you, and I'll do me, but we won't do each other...probably"

For Markiplier, I’d be happy for that

I don't get why it's such a huge burden apparently to just call people what they want to be called.

For example, people ask what my preferred nickname is all the time when I introduce myself, since my proper name has more than one nickname. And if they call me a nickname I don't like and I say "could you please not?" they usually are pretty apologetic. I don't see how gender pronouns are any more difficult.

[Ithreland]

For Markiplier, I’d be happy for that

I don't get why it's such a huge burden apparently to just call people what they want to be called.

For example, people ask what my preferred nickname is all the time when I introduce myself, since my proper name has more than one nickname. And if they call me a nickname I don't like and I say "could you please not?" they usually are pretty apologetic. I don't see how gender pronouns are any more difficult.

Your nickname probably isn't linked to what someone believes, religiously or otherwise. Language has a lot of weight for some people (myself included as an English major, though I understand that languages change and grow like a living thing and also have some experience with LGBT+ things so I'm in agreement with you to some extent).

[Des-Bal]

I don't get why it's such a huge burden apparently to just call people what they want to be called.

For example, people ask what my preferred nickname is all the time when I introduce myself, since my proper name has more than one nickname. And if they call me a nickname I don't like and I say "could you please not?" they usually are pretty apologetic. I don't see how gender pronouns are any more difficult.

Nicknames are pretty flat you might occasionally have to slap an apostrophe s on the end but that's it. Pronouns he have three forms and refer to potentially infinite classifications. It can be kind of awkward when people start using pronouns outside the binary.

Also your proof or retraction would be just fucking peachy.

[Internationalist Bastard]

For Markiplier, I’d be happy for that

I don't get why it's such a huge burden apparently to just call people what they want to be called.

For example, people ask what my preferred nickname is all the time when I introduce myself, since my proper name has more than one nickname. And if they call me a nickname I don't like and I say "could you please not?" they usually are pretty apologetic. I don't see how gender pronouns are any more difficult.

Because that requires people to think and we don’t want them straining themselves trying to be respectful to other people