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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:58 pm

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Neutraligon wrote:I can answer for why I fall into the category of non-binary. When people first tried to explain being trans to me they asked me how I would feel if I suddenly woke up as a boy. So I imagined myself as a boy...and had no reaction to it. I can think of myself in a man's body and feel just as at home as if I think of myself in my current female body. Essentially I am non-binary because I can't feel gender dysphoria. This is sorta similar to those who are asexual.

I am very cisgendered male. I like being a male. I am attached to it.
However, if I try to imagine myself as a woman, there's not much of a reaction. It doesn't distress me. It would simply be different; I have no wish for it, but it doesn't disgust me.

Shrug, it isn't that it doesn't distress me, it is that I feel no real difference. I don't care which physical body I had, so long as the body is healthy. It doesn't feel strange to me to think of myself in a man's body. I feel no attachment to being female,or if I had a male body to being male. Funny thing, I have dreamed of myself going to school naked all too often (not sure why) and the sex of my body in that dream has changed or mixed and matched.
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Postby Diopolis » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:01 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Diopolis wrote:I am very cisgendered male. I like being a male. I am attached to it.
However, if I try to imagine myself as a woman, there's not much of a reaction. It doesn't distress me. It would simply be different; I have no wish for it, but it doesn't disgust me.

Shrug, it isn't that it doesn't distress me, it is that I feel no real difference. I don't care which physical body I had, so long as the body is healthy. It doesn't feel strange to me to think of myself in a man's body. I feel no attachment to being female,or if I had a male body to being male.

Oh. I mean it feels as if it would be quite peculiar were I a woman. Now I see the difference.
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:14 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Shrug, it isn't that it doesn't distress me, it is that I feel no real difference. I don't care which physical body I had, so long as the body is healthy. It doesn't feel strange to me to think of myself in a man's body. I feel no attachment to being female,or if I had a male body to being male.

Oh. I mean it feels as if it would be quite peculiar were I a woman. Now I see the difference.

Yep. So anyway that is why I call myself non-binary, although I am not sure how accurate that is.

It seems to me that when it comes to sexuality there is a range of how strongly sexual one is, from sexual to asexual, with people being anywhere along that spectrum. Then of course there is the spectrum of being solely attracted to males and solely attracted to females (I am specifically using sex not gender here). There are those who don't fit along this two axis thing (say those who are attracted to feminine presentation but who do not care about the sex organs of the person)

I think a similar thing exists as far as gender perception, at least for those who are on the binary. I think there is an axis of those who when they form their own body image they see themselves as fully male to those who see themselves as fully female. There is also an axis for how strongly attached one is to that perspective, from strongly attached, to feeling no attachment whatsoever. Like with sexuality I think there are those who don't fit this two axis thing I am building (gender fluid for instance).

Anyway as to the OP, I think that male and female are at least somewhat useful as medical terms, since those born female don't have to worry about prostate cancer, while those born male do. Beyond medical scenarios though, sex doesn't seem to be all that important to society;rather society seems to pay more attention to gender and gender expression.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:20 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Oh. I mean it feels as if it would be quite peculiar were I a woman. Now I see the difference.

Yep. So anyway that is why I call myself non-binary, although I am not sure how accurate that is.

It seems to me that when it comes to sexuality there is a range of how strongly sexual one is, from sexual to asexual, with people being anywhere along that spectrum. Then of course there is the spectrum of being solely attracted to males and solely attracted to females (I am specifically using sex not gender here). There are those who don't fit along this two axis thing (say those who are attracted to feminine presentation but who do not care about the sex organs of the person)

I think a similar thing exists as far as gender perception, at least for those who are on the binary. I think there is an axis of those who when they form their own body image they see themselves as fully male to those who see themselves as fully female. There is also an axis for how strongly attached one is to that perspective, from strongly attached, to feeling no attachment whatsoever. Like with sexuality I think there are those who don't fit this two axis thing I am building (gender fluid for instance).

Anyway as to the OP, I think that male and female are at least somewhat useful as medical terms, since those born female don't have to worry about prostate cancer, while those born male do. Beyond medical scenarios though, sex doesn't seem to be all that important to society;rather society seems to pay more attention to gender and gender expression.

And are these not the result of the roles of the sexes?
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:22 pm

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Yep. So anyway that is why I call myself non-binary, although I am not sure how accurate that is.

It seems to me that when it comes to sexuality there is a range of how strongly sexual one is, from sexual to asexual, with people being anywhere along that spectrum. Then of course there is the spectrum of being solely attracted to males and solely attracted to females (I am specifically using sex not gender here). There are those who don't fit along this two axis thing (say those who are attracted to feminine presentation but who do not care about the sex organs of the person)

I think a similar thing exists as far as gender perception, at least for those who are on the binary. I think there is an axis of those who when they form their own body image they see themselves as fully male to those who see themselves as fully female. There is also an axis for how strongly attached one is to that perspective, from strongly attached, to feeling no attachment whatsoever. Like with sexuality I think there are those who don't fit this two axis thing I am building (gender fluid for instance).

Anyway as to the OP, I think that male and female are at least somewhat useful as medical terms, since those born female don't have to worry about prostate cancer, while those born male do. Beyond medical scenarios though, sex doesn't seem to be all that important to society;rather society seems to pay more attention to gender and gender expression.

And are these not the result of the roles of the sexes?

I don't understand the question. What "these" are you talking about?
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:29 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:And are these not the result of the roles of the sexes?

I don't understand the question. What "these" are you talking about?

I meant the gender roles in question.

Sure, some of them are BS, but some of them relate, directly or indirectly, to the results of whether you are of the sex that selects a guy and bears his children or the sex whose role it is to be valuable enough to the tribe to be desirable.

Even the BS ones wouldn't catch on without channeling a part of our brain indirectly derived from that.
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2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.

How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.

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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:37 pm

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:I don't understand the question. What "these" are you talking about?

I meant the gender roles in question.

Sure, some of them are BS, but some of them relate, directly or indirectly, to the results of whether you are of the sex that selects a guy and bears his children or the sex whose role it is to be valuable enough to the tribe to be desirable.

Even the BS ones wouldn't catch on without channeling a part of our brain indirectly derived from that.

Sorry your comment is still not clear. I think this answers it, but maybe not.

Most men are physically stronger then women, but that doesn't really matter in modern society, and the roles that grew up as a result of that are rather unimportant. They used to be important because physical strength meant a lot more when it came to say things like fighting or building houses or the such. Women are still the only ones who can give birth, but given the population we have today it is far less necessary for women to actually give birth. As such the roles associated with that are not something necessary any more. Due to technology our society has gotten rid of the "need" for the roles.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:46 pm

Neutraligon wrote:Most men are physically stronger then women, but that doesn't really matter in modern society

It does, we didn't transcend away from the essential role of testosterone in life and job decisions.
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:50 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Most men are physically stronger then women, but that doesn't really matter in modern society

It does, we didn't transcend away from the essential role of testosterone in life and job decisions.

Women can and do go into construction, they can and do go into the military. Women can and do go into trucking or into working in storage.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:02 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:It does, we didn't transcend away from the essential role of testosterone in life and job decisions.

Women can and do go into construction, they can and do go into the military. Women can and do go into trucking or into working in storage.

Possibility doesn't equal relevancy of the sample -- truth be said, women occupy an extremely small amount of menial jobs. Nonetheless, I'm delving deeper into the topic and affirming that testosterone is important in [life and] job decisions as a whole (e.g. asking for a promotion or a raise), of which are permanently vital for a society and not transitional as it would be for the relevancy of the ever dwindling importance of physically-demanding labor.
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Postby Diopolis » Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:26 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:It does, we didn't transcend away from the essential role of testosterone in life and job decisions.

Women can and do go into construction, they can and do go into the military. Women can and do go into trucking or into working in storage.

Ok, I've worked in extremely physically demanding jobs. Have for a while. Most men will start jobs like this, it'll take them a couple months, but they'll get in shape without having to go to the gym. Women... can't. I've seen women working similar jobs, but most of those I could tell had some kind of hormone abnormality, and worked the less physical aspects of it in general.
Women are physically weaker than men when it comes to moving heavy objects. This isn't going to change, and there will always be jobs where the ability to do that is a core part of the job and men have a decisive advantage.
Oh, and by the way, jobs like "storage" and "the military" are kind of vague. I've done storage, I've done construction- there's enough variation within the job that you can have a crewman doing fairly physically tame work most of the time, but you still need much stronger crewmen in it.
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Postby Katganistan » Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:16 pm

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Skunkylon wrote:There are only 2 genders

3 genders for the Drag Queens, under the sky
7 for the Gay Lords, in their Hall of Techno
9 for Lesbians, doomed to own cats
1 for the Incel Lord on his internet throne.

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