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Can America survive the next 25 years?

Yes, don't be too discouraged on what's going on now.
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31%
Yes, but I think there's a chance of things going downhill.
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33%
It could go either way.
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16%
No, the negative tension is too strong.
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4%
No, and I'm looking forward to it!
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14%
Other(please specify)
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2%
 
Total votes : 245

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Holy Tedalonia
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:10 am

Northeast American Federation wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I still believe that the best option is reforming the system to make third parties more accessible.
That will work to reduce this politics of 'my party 1st' and will actually give people a chance to vote for the party or candidate they actually like instead of having to just vote against the other one.

I don't think that would change the "my party first" mindset, to be honest. The best you might hope for is that it splits it up into smaller groups, which would have a harder time consolidating power or actually going to war in some hypothetical doomsday scenario.

It won’t initially atleast, but its a step in the right direction. Having to parties, makes 2 massive idealogy groups, more parties allows the other parties to have less ideologies under their “tents”, atleast allowing more moderates such as “right-wing moderates” and “left-wing moderates” to change up their votes more often. For parties such as libertarians may appeal to a issue that strikes their fancy.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:10 am

Northeast American Federation wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I still believe that the best option is reforming the system to make third parties more accessible.
That will work to reduce this politics of 'my party 1st' and will actually give people a chance to vote for the party or candidate they actually like instead of having to just vote against the other one.

I don't think that would change the "my party first" mindset, to be honest. The best you might hope for is that it splits it up into smaller groups, which would have a harder time consolidating power or actually going to war in some hypothetical doomsday scenario.

Oh certainly there would still be that mindset, but it would give the voter actual options of who to vote for instead of 'party I hate' and 'party I tolerate because I hate the other guy's more'.
This will be more likely to encourage the voter to simply change parties instead of being stuck in an echo chamber.

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Postby Valrifell » Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:14 am

Genivaria wrote:
Northeast American Federation wrote:I don't think that would change the "my party first" mindset, to be honest. The best you might hope for is that it splits it up into smaller groups, which would have a harder time consolidating power or actually going to war in some hypothetical doomsday scenario.

Oh certainly there would still be that mindset, but it would give the voter actual options of who to vote for instead of 'party I hate' and 'party I tolerate because I hate the other guy's more'.
This will be more likely to encourage the voter to simply change parties instead of being stuck in an echo chamber.


Ranked ballot when, America? Ranked ballot when?
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Postby Oil exporting People » Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:23 am

Valrifell wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Oh certainly there would still be that mindset, but it would give the voter actual options of who to vote for instead of 'party I hate' and 'party I tolerate because I hate the other guy's more'.
This will be more likely to encourage the voter to simply change parties instead of being stuck in an echo chamber.


Ranked ballot when, America? Ranked ballot when?


Tangentially related: every expansion of the ballot has resulted in less participation among the electorate.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:25 am

Oil exporting People wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Ranked ballot when, America? Ranked ballot when?


Tangentially related: every expansion of the ballot has resulted in less participation among the electorate.


Partly because you've expanded the electorate.
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Postby Page » Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:27 am

Oil exporting People wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Ranked ballot when, America? Ranked ballot when?


Tangentially related: every expansion of the ballot has resulted in less participation among the electorate.


That can be explained with simple math.
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Ethereal Expanse
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Postby Ethereal Expanse » Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:41 am

Tyranny of the majority vs popular vote. Isn't the popular more so the will of the people than this artifical strung together system we currently have?
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:50 am

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Frievolk wrote:To be fair it's a couple of gunfights away from being worse than any of them. The moment a couple of small-town shootouts between the two sides happen (and I wouldn't say it's that far away. Maybe a few years) it'll be worse than any of them.
But right now it's not even remotely as bad as any of them.


I don't think that's very far off tbh. Shit from the sounds of it an Antifa rally in Portland almost got slaughtered but the potential shooters got caught beforehand, and I'm pretty sure that's happened a few other times with left and right wing rallies.

Thank goodness the police let those would-be terrorists go free.
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Northeast American Federation
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Postby Northeast American Federation » Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:07 am

Ethereal Expanse wrote:Tyranny of the majority vs popular vote. Isn't the popular more so the will of the people than this artifical strung together system we currently have?

Only if your assumption is that we're supposed to be a direct democracy.
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Genivaria
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:18 am

Northeast American Federation wrote:
Ethereal Expanse wrote:Tyranny of the majority vs popular vote. Isn't the popular more so the will of the people than this artifical strung together system we currently have?

Only if your assumption is that we're supposed to be a direct democracy.

Popular representation is not = to direct democracy.

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Oil exporting People
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Postby Oil exporting People » Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:32 am

Valrifell wrote:
Oil exporting People wrote:
Tangentially related: every expansion of the ballot has resulted in less participation among the electorate.


Partly because you've expanded the electorate.


Not at all, if you look into it. People literally vote less when more are able to vote.
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Chan Island
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Postby Chan Island » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:08 am

Oil exporting People wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Partly because you've expanded the electorate.


Not at all, if you look into it. People literally vote less when more are able to vote.


Evidence? Would be interested in diving deeper into this claim.
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