America's Uncertain Future

[Uxupox]

Our constitution is inherently different from any sort of European influence (the only European having any sort of influence on it is John Locke). Religion? Do you mean by religious basis that South Korea is also inherently "Western" due to the Abrahamic influence over its population? Our values are also different as you have stated previously. What about our everyday life? Who cares about ancestral traditions.

Separation of powers? Montesquieu no? Democracy? The ancient thinkers, no? Literally every part of it was influenced by Europe.

Well no, religion in play with other factors. Religion alone does not make you Western, which is why Uganda is not Western. Though your Christianity is closer to ours (outside of Evangelicalism) than it is to Uganda's.

Oh they are different no doubt. But yours are derived from Western thought. America's obsession with freedom doesn't come from the east, no?

Your everyday life is more similar to ours than it is to the east or south, no?

Well... Many Americans do, as they repeatedly say and do. Many Americans are, again, from my personal experience, very proud of their Scottish-English-Irish whatever roots.

Our roots are own shaped by our own experiences with each other. African-american, Chinese American, Latino Americans, Arabians and etc. The culture aspect is unique in the fact that it is a melting pot unseen around the world (as Israel Zangwill personally stated). Heck inside the United States somebody from Washington state will be completely different in all values of life to someone that comes from Florida. Not to mention NYC in which you could go outside and be beseeched by maybe dozens of languages just by going to the nearest store. The only actual values that Americans do in fact however share is the love of both liberty and freedom. Those Irish-Americans are just one part of the pie that is the United States.

[Olerand]

Separation of powers? Montesquieu no?

No. And it's quite telling that you think that's where separation of powers originates.

Democracy? The ancient thinkers, no? Literally every part of it was influenced by Europe.

>> thinking the "ancient thinkers" were European
>> thinking 'European' as a term means anything before the modern day

I bet you think Rome was a European empire too!

Well no, religion in play with other factors. Religion alone does not make you Western, which is why Uganda is not Western. Though your Christianity is closer to ours (outside of Evangelicalism) than it is to Uganda's.

And it's closer to SK's than it is your's.

Oh they are different no doubt. But yours are derived from Western thought. America's obsession with freedom doesn't come from the east, no?

It certainly doesn't come from Europe either. Our's is an older tradition, one you lot have always feverishly both tried to reject and usurp.

Your everyday life is more similar to ours than it is to the east or south, no?

Only if you have some really racist ideas about what it's like to the south.

Well... Many Americans do, as they repeatedly say and do. Many Americans are, again, from my personal experience, very proud of their Scottish-English-Irish whatever roots.

And what does that have to do with ancestral traditions?

I think it's funny that just to be a contrarian, you deny something taught in American high schools. Montesquieu did influence your founding fathers.

Well, he did invent the tripartite system. Though I understand contrarianism is a powerful force in American thought.

They were, they recognized themselves as being in Europa. They are, of course, considered the ancestors of the West, and of Western thought.

Factually false, for mainstream Protestantism and Catholicism. Do you want to check the polls on support for LGBT rights, for example?

An older tradition not from us?
Who is it from? China? Persia? Egypt? The Celts perhaps?

No, but having spent quite some time in "southern" countries, and quite some time in America, I can see your lifestyle is closer to ours. Though not entirely similar of course.

I went to a German-American and a Scottish-American festival. They were rather stereotypical, of course, but the people there were quite proud.

Separation of powers? Montesquieu no? Democracy? The ancient thinkers, no? Literally every part of it was influenced by Europe.

Well no, religion in play with other factors. Religion alone does not make you Western, which is why Uganda is not Western. Though your Christianity is closer to ours (outside of Evangelicalism) than it is to Uganda's.

Oh they are different no doubt. But yours are derived from Western thought. America's obsession with freedom doesn't come from the east, no?

Your everyday life is more similar to ours than it is to the east or south, no?

Well... Many Americans do, as they repeatedly say and do. Many Americans are, again, from my personal experience, very proud of their Scottish-English-Irish whatever roots.

Our roots are own shaped by our own experiences with each other. African-american, Chinese American, Latino Americans, Arabians and etc. The culture aspect is unique in the fact that it is a melting pot unseen around the world (as Israel Zangwill personally stated). Heck inside the United States somebody from Washington state will be completely different in all values of life to someone that comes from Florida. Not to mention NYC in which you could go outside and be beseeched by maybe dozens of languages just by going to the nearest store. The only actual values that Americans do in fact however share is the love of both liberty and freedom. Those Irish-Americans are just one part of the pie that is the United States.

No doubt. But both your liberal black from Washington State and your conservative white in Florida derive their values from the West.

[Diopolis]

In short, when politicians start traveling with personal guards, we'll see the end of the republic. Til then, we're just in the very late stages.

[Conserative Morality]

I think it's funny that just to be a contrarian, you deny something taught in American high schools. Montesquieu did influence your founding fathers.

Well, he did invent the tripartite system. Though I understand contrarianism is a powerful force in American thought.

Actually, they don't teach blatant lies in most American schools. Loving that your proof is an ad from 1989 made of run-on-sentences couched inside a single paragraph!

They were, they recognized themselves as being in Europa.

Then I suppose all of the refugees you lot always panic about are European as well.

There was no sense of European identity, and Roman identity was not compatible with identities of the actually European peoples whom they crushed under their boot.

They are, of course, considered the ancestors of the West, and of Western thought.

Factually false, for mainstream Protestantism and Catholicism. Do you want to check the polls on support for LGBT rights, for example?

Little over 50/50

So... America a few years ago?

An older tradition not from us?

Who is it from? China? Persia? Egypt? The Celts perhaps?

I don't know how it is you bring up Rome and then suddenly forget about it, but remember the Celts. I see Caesar really hit you lot so hard you're still feeling it today.

[Olerand]

I think it's funny that just to be a contrarian, you deny something taught in American high schools. Montesquieu did influence your founding fathers.

Well, he did invent the tripartite system. Though I understand contrarianism is a powerful force in American thought.

Actually, they don't teach blatant lies in most American schools. Loving that your proof is an ad from 1989 made of run-on-sentences couched inside a single paragraph!

They were, they recognized themselves as being in Europa.

Then I suppose all of the refugees you lot always panic about are European as well.

There was no sense of European identity, and Roman identity was not compatible with identities of the actually European peoples whom they crushed under their boot.

They are, of course, considered the ancestors of the West, and of Western thought.

Factually false, for mainstream Protestantism and Catholicism. Do you want to check the polls on support for LGBT rights, for example?

Little over 50/50

So... America a few years ago?

An older tradition not from us?

Who is it from? China? Persia? Egypt? The Celts perhaps?

I don't know how it is you bring up Rome and then suddenly forget about it, but remember the Celts. I see Caesar really hit you lot so hard you're still feeling it today.

As I said, it's classroom material. And he did invent the tripartite system, though blatant contrarianism will urge you to say otherwise.

The Syrians and Eritreans recognize their homeland as being in Europa? That's amazing. Their lack of basic geography is... tragic.

I didn't claim there was a European identity. I said they were European. They recognized themselves as being in Europa. I would never claim that they had a "European identity", as that concept as we know it today isn't even a century old, and I know my own history.

Why are so many Anglo-Saxon liberals so hung up on the past? What about today?

Again, other than that pathetic comment, who did you get these values from? The Scythians? The Carthaginians?

[Conserative Morality]

As I said, it's classroom material. And he did invent the tripartite system, though blatant contrarianism will urge you to say otherwise.

"It's classroom material. See? It comes from a site called classroom!"

Wow, that's pretty impressive. And by 'impressive' I mean 'Third grade shite'.

The Syrians and Eritreans recognize their homeland as being in Europa? That's amazing. Their lack of basic geography is... tragic.

The Syrian and Eritrean refugees don't recognize they're in Europe? Poor souls. I suppose it's hard to tell when you French are busy shoving them in concentration camps.

I didn't claim there was a European identity. I said they were European.

Because they were in Europe? See aforementioned references to refugees.

They recognized themselves as being in Europa. I would never claim that they had a "European identity", as that concept as we know it today isn't even a century old, and I know my own history.

Really? Most of your claims thus far seem to refute the assertion that you understand France's history, or the West's; certainly not America's.

Why are so many Anglo-Saxon liberals so hung up on the past? What about today?

>> three years ago is the past
>> but 1989 isn't

wew

And you lot wonder why no one takes France seriously.

Again, other than that pathetic comment, who did you get these values from? The Scythians? The Carthaginians?

I'm sorry that literally stating things isn't clear enough for you.

[Olerand]

As I said, it's classroom material. And he did invent the tripartite system, though blatant contrarianism will urge you to say otherwise.

"It's classroom material. See? It comes from a site called classroom!"

Wow, that's pretty impressive. And by 'impressive' I mean 'Third grade shite'.

The Syrians and Eritreans recognize their homeland as being in Europa? That's amazing. Their lack of basic geography is... tragic.

The Syrian and Eritrean refugees don't recognize they're in Europe? Poor souls. I suppose it's hard to tell when you French are busy shoving them in concentration camps.

I didn't claim there was a European identity. I said they were European.

Because they were in Europe? See aforementioned references to refugees.

They recognized themselves as being in Europa. I would never claim that they had a "European identity", as that concept as we know it today isn't even a century old, and I know my own history.

Really? Most of your claims thus far seem to refute the assertion that you understand France's history, or the West's; certainly not America's.

Why are so many Anglo-Saxon liberals so hung up on the past? What about today?

>> three years ago is the past
>> but 1989 isn't

wew

And you lot wonder why no one takes France seriously.

Again, other than that pathetic comment, who did you get these values from? The Scythians? The Carthaginians?

I'm sorry that literally stating things isn't clear enough for you.

Well, no, I already said it's classroom material; then a site called classroom further reinforced the point. The question now is, have you never been in an American classroom, or is this out of bad faith...

The Greeks and Romans recognized their homelands as being in Europe, not their bodies. When they were in Egypt, they weren't in Europa. Now here is a test of your geographic skills, are Syria and Eritrea in Europe?

They recognized their homelands as being in Europe. Which makes them European. They didn't recognize Egypt as being in Europe. When they were colonists there, they weren't in Europa.

Well, as you deny your own history, I have of course no expectation that you would know my own country's, let alone the West's.

You're going to reference that article in relation to opinion polls... Yikes... Really running out of bad faith arguments no?

I'm most sorry that you can't answer a question. Again. Where do you derive these values from? The Indus Valley civilization?

[Diopolis]

Canada (i.e. my current country of residence) is effectively going to be dragged directly into a hypothetical American civil war because of the inevitability of spillovers of violence across our enormous border, the loss of their largest and nearest trading partner, and a potential intervention if it gets out of control.

Frankly, the only reason the US has survived this long is because of its rather inefficient neighbors both North and South.
Canada and Mexico (and you can bet your ass Mexico will get dragged into the affairs, possibly even quicker than Canada, and for very very different reasons) both lack the military, economic, or political capabilities to deal with an American Warzone. The American Continent (and I do mean the entire continent, not just north) might be dragged into something very bloody.

Fascist Texas when?

[Major-Tom]

America may seem divided, but the better term is ideologically and culturally polarized. We can act like this is new but this has been a thing for quite some time, it's just been much more out in the open recently. No, there will be no Civil War, and no there will be no huge clashes. Saying that sorta shit is misinformed at best and ignorant at worst.

My country is polarized, and it won't get better for a while. And that scares me. But baseless fearmongering about this is just stupid.

[Uxupox]

No. And it's quite telling that you think that's where separation of powers originates.

>> thinking the "ancient thinkers" were European
>> thinking 'European' as a term means anything before the modern day

I bet you think Rome was a European empire too!

And it's closer to SK's than it is your's.

It certainly doesn't come from Europe either. Our's is an older tradition, one you lot have always feverishly both tried to reject and usurp.

Only if you have some really racist ideas about what it's like to the south.

And what does that have to do with ancestral traditions?

I think it's funny that just to be a contrarian, you deny something taught in American high schools. Montesquieu did influence your founding fathers.

Well, he did invent the tripartite system. Though I understand contrarianism is a powerful force in American thought.

They were, they recognized themselves as being in Europa. They are, of course, considered the ancestors of the West, and of Western thought.

Factually false, for mainstream Protestantism and Catholicism. Do you want to check the polls on support for LGBT rights, for example?

An older tradition not from us?
Who is it from? China? Persia? Egypt? The Celts perhaps?

No, but having spent quite some time in "southern" countries, and quite some time in America, I can see your lifestyle is closer to ours. Though not entirely similar of course.

I went to a German-American and a Scottish-American festival. They were rather stereotypical, of course, but the people there were quite proud.

Our roots are own shaped by our own experiences with each other. African-american, Chinese American, Latino Americans, Arabians and etc. The culture aspect is unique in the fact that it is a melting pot unseen around the world (as Israel Zangwill personally stated). Heck inside the United States somebody from Washington state will be completely different in all values of life to someone that comes from Florida. Not to mention NYC in which you could go outside and be beseeched by maybe dozens of languages just by going to the nearest store. The only actual values that Americans do in fact however share is the love of both liberty and freedom. Those Irish-Americans are just one part of the pie that is the United States.

No doubt. But both your liberal black from Washington State and your conservative white in Florida derive their values from the West.

no we don't.

[Olerand]

I think it's funny that just to be a contrarian, you deny something taught in American high schools. Montesquieu did influence your founding fathers.

Well, he did invent the tripartite system. Though I understand contrarianism is a powerful force in American thought.

They were, they recognized themselves as being in Europa. They are, of course, considered the ancestors of the West, and of Western thought.

Factually false, for mainstream Protestantism and Catholicism. Do you want to check the polls on support for LGBT rights, for example?

An older tradition not from us?
Who is it from? China? Persia? Egypt? The Celts perhaps?

No, but having spent quite some time in "southern" countries, and quite some time in America, I can see your lifestyle is closer to ours. Though not entirely similar of course.

I went to a German-American and a Scottish-American festival. They were rather stereotypical, of course, but the people there were quite proud.


No doubt. But both your liberal black from Washington State and your conservative white in Florida derive their values from the West.

no we don't.

Do you get them from China?

[Conserative Morality]

Well, no, I already said it's classroom material; then a site called classroom further reinforced the point.

In the same way that naming your trashcan 'dog' and telling your teacher that your dog ate your homework reinforces your point, sure. Gold star for being on the same level as a third-grader!

The question now is, have you never been in an American classroom, or is this out of bad faith...

Social studies courses were the only classes I aced. But I am sure you, the almighty Frenchmen, have more experience being a Middle-to-High-School student in America than I, the lowly American. =^)

The Greeks and Romans recognized their homelands as being in Europe, not their bodies.

Absolutely untrue. The Roman conception of the res publica by the time-

Oh why am I wasting time on you?

[Uxupox]

no we don't.

Do you get them from China?

Orientalism is the new trend for us.

[Olerand]

Well, no, I already said it's classroom material; then a site called classroom further reinforced the point.

In the same way that naming your trashcan 'dog' and telling your teacher that your dog ate your homework reinforces your point, sure. Gold star for being on the same level as a third-grader!

The question now is, have you never been in an American classroom, or is this out of bad faith...

Social studies courses were the only classes I aced. But I am sure you, the almighty Frenchmen, have more experience being a Middle-to-High-School student in America than I, the lowly American. =^)

The Greeks and Romans recognized their homelands as being in Europe, not their bodies.

Absolutely untrue. The Roman conception of the res publica by the time-

Oh why am I wasting time on you?

Again, so sad you have to use bad faith arguments. I said they teach this in classrooms. You denied that. A website literally called classroom reinforced my point, and now you're talking about some dog and a trash can...

Again, have you been in an American high school, or is this out of bad faith...

Res publica, the public affair, is supposed to have something to do with the geographical placement of Rome... Yikes... Indeed, why are you wasting your time with me. You're not learning anything, though how could you when it is in such bad faith.

You won't answer my other questions? Nothing on the other points?

Again, who did you derive your values from? Is Eritrea in Europe?

Do you get them from China?

Orientalism is the new trend for us.

So where did you derive your values from?

This is all about you denying you're a part of the West. But if not, whose values, whose traditions, whose governments do you currently have? Iran's?

[Rio Cana]

Canada (i.e. my current country of residence) is effectively going to be dragged directly into a hypothetical American civil war because of the inevitability of spillovers of violence across our enormous border, the loss of their largest and nearest trading partner, and a potential intervention if it gets out of control.

Frankly, the only reason the US has survived this long is because of its rather inefficient neighbors both North and South.
Canada and Mexico (and you can bet your ass Mexico will get dragged into the affairs, possibly even quicker than Canada, and for very very different reasons) both lack the military, economic, or political capabilities to deal with an American Warzone. The American Continent (and I do mean the entire continent, not just north) might be dragged into something very bloody.

Are you sure Mexico would not be an ally. Just look what the US sold and sent to Mexico a few years ago via rail from California - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5Ayn-Vs9Sk
This came from Texas - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDEdYyK9UMk&t=34s

[Ifreann]

The point, which I thought was obvious, is that this fantasy of yours

Cite exactly where I said that or even implied it, because we both know that's bullshit.

If you can't remember your own posts then I don't think I can help you.

of Republicans putting down their beers and assembling into a crack fighting force when civil war is declared is exactly that. A fantasy. The militia types you are talking about would be too few to be of any particular consequence, and most other Republicans would be about as familiar with firearms as most Democrats.

Where have I ever implied all Republicans are crack units? Hell, where have I even said Republicans?

Republicans, right, whatever.

Further, I really love the logic that despite the militia types being armed and ready, they somehow won't make a difference because of "reasons". Get real or at least come up with something coherent, if you can.

Not because of "reasons", because a few hundred people scattered across the country are too few in number to be of any consequence. As I said.

Let me guess, you think that the National Guard will join the militias in hunting down and executing unarmed leftists. Hilarious.

What's more hilarious is that you failed to realize I was pointing out that what you were saying literally describes the National Guard; they get together on the weekends every so often to train and have been deployed in wartime to conquer cities in the millions.

The National Guards are actual professional armed forces, rather different from people playing in the woods and calling themselves a militia and dreaming of marching on the nearest city.

[Diopolis]

Cite exactly where I said that or even implied it, because we both know that's bullshit.

If you can't remember your own posts then I don't think I can help you.

Where have I ever implied all Republicans are crack units? Hell, where have I even said Republicans?

Republicans, right, whatever.

Further, I really love the logic that despite the militia types being armed and ready, they somehow won't make a difference because of "reasons". Get real or at least come up with something coherent, if you can.

Not because of "reasons", because a few hundred people scattered across the country are too few in number to be of any consequence. As I said.

What's more hilarious is that you failed to realize I was pointing out that what you were saying literally describes the National Guard; they get together on the weekends every so often to train and have been deployed in wartime to conquer cities in the millions.

The National Guards are actual professional armed forces, rather different from people playing in the woods and calling themselves a militia and dreaming of marching on the nearest city.

It's entirely possible that if the US faces some kind of massive crisis, militias could be strongly influential in the state of Alaska.
It is incredibly doubtful they would make much of a difference in a hypothetical American civil war. In particular, if such a civil war is blue v red, the redness of the officer class would probably be the deciding factor.

[The Lone Alliance]

What's funny is people actually believe these rebels will even need or want to march on a city.

They just need to shut down the major highways and let starvation do the job for them.

[The South Falls]

What's funny is people actually believe these rebels will even need or want to march on a city.

They just need to shut down the major highways and let starvation do the job for them.

Unless you've got a CVS in your backyard like me.

[Ifreann]

What's funny is people actually believe these rebels will even need or want to march on a city.

They just need to shut down the major highways and let starvation do the job for them.

You can't put leftists against the wall by shutting down highways.

[Minoa]

Things are going down hill with both sides getting more extreme and calling each other names.

If you lean left according to the right you are an SJW Communist. You lean right according to the left you are a Racist Neo Nazi.

But America can still stand this. It's an amazing country with beautiful ideals. Those ideals will be stood by no mater what.

It just needs more centrists to tell the extremists to chill out.

You got to add the fear-mongering speculation about World War III and Nuclear War too. It has done no favours for my ongoing battle with my mental health, which I feel does respond to the political climate, since I just want to live my life without fear and not worry too much about the developments from (in my case) Westminster. I think the observation is sometimes called “fight or flight”?

In any case, the fear-mongering does not help public morale to encourage them to act positively.

[Uxupox]

Cite exactly where I said that or even implied it, because we both know that's bullshit.

If you can't remember your own posts then I don't think I can help you.

Where have I ever implied all Republicans are crack units? Hell, where have I even said Republicans?

Republicans, right, whatever.

Further, I really love the logic that despite the militia types being armed and ready, they somehow won't make a difference because of "reasons". Get real or at least come up with something coherent, if you can.

Not because of "reasons", because a few hundred people scattered across the country are too few in number to be of any consequence. As I said.

What's more hilarious is that you failed to realize I was pointing out that what you were saying literally describes the National Guard; they get together on the weekends every so often to train and have been deployed in wartime to conquer cities in the millions.

The National Guards are actual professional armed forces, rather different from people playing in the woods and calling themselves a militia and dreaming of marching on the nearest city.

lol

[Luziyca]

To be honest, I am pretty sure that the recent events are probably going to spark a civil war: maybe not now or in a couple years, but I imagine that 2021 will be when another American civil war breaks out.

All I can hope for is that when the structure of America inevitably collapses due to lack of maintenance, that Canada is no longer aligned to the US, and is aligned to Brussels or Beijing, just so we won't be going down the same path as them.

Canada will more than likely collapse as well. The loss of your largest trade partner will not do you well, not to mention the refugees and the violence they will bring will end Canada

It probably would, especially if Canada doesn't try and distance itself from the US. Hell, even if Canada does distance itself, it'll probably have to deal with refugees from the States.

[Mystic Warriors]

Trump has pretty much declared war on California by trying to flip our court of appeals. Succession is needed to save this state.

[The Lone Alliance]

What's funny is people actually believe these rebels will even need or want to march on a city.

They just need to shut down the major highways and let starvation do the job for them.

You can't put leftists against the wall by shutting down highways.

Except no civil war just has one side lining the other side up against the wall and shooting them unless the other side is completely and hopelessly outgunned. It's likely it'll go more like most other modern civil wars in that cities will be besieged depending on which side holds said city.