America's Uncertain Future

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Organizing a coup is a good idea. However Trump and co shouldn’t be the target and it should be led by he military

Only good insofar as the resulting treason trials after the coup fails would be pretty entertaining to watch.

it's not. roman imperator style governance is what is needed at the moment.

There are probably better and more reasonable alternatives we could try first before skipping right to destroying the country with an anti-American totalitarian dictatorship.

[Nettunia]

While I don't think civil war proper would happen, I do believe this is what you reap for creating a system where two juggernuts dominate politics. This is intended, mind you, because it makes it much easier to keep under control a population that is huge and diverse like no other in the world; however it also radicalizes people. Every issue in America has either a side A or side B, there is no nuance, hardly any dialogue, there is a "us" and there is a "them" for everything. It's a bit of culture that pervades every part of America though, for example the way external threats(real or even just potential)are used to make the world all either black or white.

[Pax Nerdvana]

I'm optimistic we'll survive. We always have, although we do need to unite. As Lincoln said,"A house divided against itself cannot stand."

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

I'm certain that America is capable of surviving the next 25 years, but only if we take steps to mitigate ideological polarization. The way things are going, that doesn't seem to be likely.

I believe America needs to find a common enemy. First we had the British, Then the Mexicans, Then the Germans, Then the Nazis, Then the Soviets, Then Middle Eastern Terrorists, we just need another common enemy for all America to unite together and hate.

I suggest the Swiss.

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I'm optimistic we'll survive. We always have, although we do need to unite. As Lincoln said,"A house divided against itself cannot stand."

We cannot all unite. Some Americans hold ideologies which are entirely incompatible with liberty and democracy. We cannot work with these people. They must be politically neutered and ostracized.

[Pax Nerdvana]

I'm optimistic we'll survive. We always have, although we do need to unite. As Lincoln said,"A house divided against itself cannot stand."

We cannot all unite. Some Americans hold ideologies which are entirely incompatible with liberty and democracy. We cannot work with these people. They must be politically neutered and ostracized.

I forgot about them.

[Frievolk]

I'm certain that America is capable of surviving the next 25 years, but only if we take steps to mitigate ideological polarization. The way things are going, that doesn't seem to be likely.

I believe America needs to find a common enemy. First we had the British, Then the Mexicans, Then the Germans, Then the Nazis, Then the Soviets, Then Middle Eastern Terrorists, we just need another common enemy for all America to unite together and hate.

Good luck doing that, seriously.
Short of someone legit invading the US proper (hell, Iran did that in '80, and nobody really did anything) there is no way to get the entire population (or, hell, even a sizable population) to unite under one banner against one enemy.

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I believe America needs to find a common enemy. First we had the British, Then the Mexicans, Then the Germans, Then the Nazis, Then the Soviets, Then Middle Eastern Terrorists, we just need another common enemy for all America to unite together and hate.

Good luck doing that, seriously.
Short of someone legit invading the US proper (hell, Iran did that in '80, and nobody really did anything) there is no way to get the entire population (or, hell, even a sizable population) to unite under one banner against one enemy.

It's not as difficult as you think. At the dawn of the Iraq War, both major parties gave overwhelming support and both conservative and liberal media became jingoist shills for the government. The spell eventually breaks but not before the damage is done.

[The New California Republic]

Unless the USA gives dictatorship a chance, there can be no salvation for the nation.

Jeez IM, give the dictatorship nonsense a rest.

[Hammer Britannia]

Unless the USA gives dictatorship a chance, there can be no salvation for the nation.

Ah, yes. Reverting to a system that goes against American values will totally cause unity and peace within the nation and totally won't cause the rise of the Texan Imperial Republic

[Infected Mushroom]

Unless the USA gives dictatorship a chance, there can be no salvation for the nation.

Jeez IM, give the dictatorship nonsense a rest.

The alternative is to have continuous partisan warfare, White House theatrics, and shootings until civil war. In the meantime, the corporations and the voters will run the nation down. Within 25 years in all likelihood; it looks bleak.

The USA is not in a healthy state. It needs a new system.

[Frievolk]

Jeez IM, give the dictatorship nonsense a rest.

The alternative is to have continuous partisan warfare, White House theatrics, and shootings until civil war. In the meantime, the corporations and the voters will run the nation down. Within 25 years in all likelihood; it looks bleak.

The USA is not in a healthy state. It needs a new system.

Dictatorship is in no way new, nor what America (or, really, literally any country ever) needs.

[Petrolheadia]

Jeez IM, give the dictatorship nonsense a rest.

The alternative is to have continuous partisan warfare, White House theatrics, and shootings until civil war. In the meantime, the corporations and the voters will run the nation down. Within 25 years in all likelihood; it looks bleak.

The USA is not in a healthy state. It needs a new system.

And instead, it'll be ran down by a dictator and have a civil war to establish his power.

Thanks a fucking million.

[Otira]

We've already reached the point of open ideological conflict. Left and right wingers regularly engage in street battles of various magnitudes already and people are only becoming more serious about that (see people starting to organize into groups for that exact purpose and it starting to become deadly for more details), and even the people who don't directly engage openly support one side or the other for the most part. This also bleeds into attacks on government officials, see the Congressional Baseball shooting and such things.

Unless something massive changes quickly (say the sudden rise of a very real external enemy for us to focus on) the republic is a dying beast. We're no longer countrymen, in the eyes of the other side you're the embodiment of everything wrong with the world and need to be both fought and prevented from ever gaining any sort of power. No matter who wins in 2020 they aren't going to unite the nation and the other side is only going to become more pissed off and determined to stop the winner and things are only going to get worse.

This seems a fair assessment.

I think the United States may have a civil war within the next 25 years. Probably like the Spanish Civil War, with a left and right side each being an umbrella for a number of factions ranging from moderate-x to fringe extremism. Barring outside intervention I would wager the right-wing side will win.

[Holy Tedalonia]

If those 9 voters on those people who voted that they look forward to it are indeed serious. What the heck is wrong with you? Civil war literally helps no-one, save for those who actively seek its destruction.

[Hammer Britannia]

Jeez IM, give the dictatorship nonsense a rest.

The alternative is to have continuous partisan warfare, White House theatrics, and shootings until civil war. In the meantime, the corporations and the voters will run the nation down. Within 25 years in all likelihood; it looks bleak.

The USA is not in a healthy state. It needs a new system.

Ah, yes.

Instead of a bunch of corrupt militaristic dumbasses, we'll have just one

Thanks a lot.

[Frievolk]

If those 9 voters on those people who voted that they look forward to it are indeed serious. What the heck is wrong with you? Civil war literally helps no-one, save for those who actively seek its destruction.

They're probably not American, and lack the foresight to see exactly what happens when the world's sole superpower (and the one essentially feeding everyone else) falls down without anyone to take its place immediately.

[The New California Republic]

Jeez IM, give the dictatorship nonsense a rest.

The alternative is to have continuous partisan warfare, White House theatrics, and shootings until civil war. In the meantime, the corporations and the voters will run the nation down. Within 25 years in all likelihood; it looks bleak.

The USA is not in a healthy state. It needs a new system.

Please, I implore you, take it from someone who has visited prisons run by the KGB and the Stasi: you do not want a dictatorship in control of the USA.

[Pax Nerdvana]

The alternative is to have continuous partisan warfare, White House theatrics, and shootings until civil war. In the meantime, the corporations and the voters will run the nation down. Within 25 years in all likelihood; it looks bleak.

The USA is not in a healthy state. It needs a new system.

Please, I implore you, take it from someone who has visited prisons run by the KGB and the Stasi: you do not want a dictatorship in control of the USA.

Also, that would literally start the Second American Revolution.

[Trumptonium1]

America's biggest issue is foreign policy. China is going to eclipse it because their neo-colonialism, specifically in Africa, is a successor to the European Marshall Plan. If the American government stops ignoring geoeconomics, and in turn, turn away from neoliberalism (which is impossible under Trump), and takes Al Gore's advice on a Global Marshall Plan, they can maybe save their influence, but at the rate they're going, they'll lose nearly all influence in Africa and the MENA

A nonsensical idea. The US gave money to Turkey and it's a rebellious frenemy. Future generations won't be binded by the generosity/charity of their ancestors, that's just not how non-Western/Germanic culture works.

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Jeez IM, give the dictatorship nonsense a rest.

The alternative is to have continuous partisan warfare, White House theatrics, and shootings until civil war. In the meantime, the corporations and the voters will run the nation down. Within 25 years in all likelihood; it looks bleak.

The USA is not in a healthy state. It needs a new system.

Even if having a dictatorship would turn America into a "healthy state" (it wouldn't), do you value the health of the state over your own liberty?

[Petrolheadia]

America's biggest issue is foreign policy. China is going to eclipse it because their neo-colonialism, specifically in Africa, is a successor to the European Marshall Plan. If the American government stops ignoring geoeconomics, and in turn, turn away from neoliberalism (which is impossible under Trump), and takes Al Gore's advice on a Global Marshall Plan, they can maybe save their influence, but at the rate they're going, they'll lose nearly all influence in Africa and the MENA

A nonsensical idea. The US gave money to Turkey and it's a rebellious frenemy. Future generations won't be binded by the generosity/charity of their ancestors, that's just not how non-Western/Germanic culture works.

Still, if you don't put money somewhere, somebody else will, and that someone will be remembered better.
On the other hand, you have the money you didn't give, and can spend it at home.

Decisions, decisions...

[Infected Mushroom]

The alternative is to have continuous partisan warfare, White House theatrics, and shootings until civil war. In the meantime, the corporations and the voters will run the nation down. Within 25 years in all likelihood; it looks bleak.

The USA is not in a healthy state. It needs a new system.

Even if having a dictatorship would turn America into a "healthy state" (it wouldn't), do you value the health of the state over your own liberty?

Shouldn't we all?

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Even if having a dictatorship would turn America into a "healthy state" (it wouldn't), do you value the health of the state over your own liberty?

Shouldn't we all?

Not me.

[Petrolheadia]

Even if having a dictatorship would turn America into a "healthy state" (it wouldn't), do you value the health of the state over your own liberty?

Shouldn't we all?

I won't, a country is just a means to its citizens' ends.