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I think..

Our leadership is too old, there should be a retirement age..
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The older the wiser, this is the ideal state of affairs
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The people should demand a Hoffocracy immediately
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Doo-doo.. children of the revolooootion, yea yeah..
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Term limits, incumbency is the problem
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All shall by decided by a poll
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For I like to click polls
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*clicks*
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Postby Mushet » Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:01 am

Meh, them being older doesn't bother me, it may make them a little out of touch with younger Americans but at least they were young once, younger politicians would be out of touch with older voters and it's not like they can remember being old. It's natural for the more experienced to be in a higher position. Although if anything maybe one in the 30-50 range being in charge but conferring to elder statemen would be a good counterbalance.

The age doesn't bother me a much as socioeconomics.
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Postby The Philippine Islands of Luzviminda » Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:07 am

Well age does not matter the person has the proper skills kind of like an employer picking between 2 people based on capability (except if the younger one is going to be an unpaid intern)
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:13 pm

The blAAtschApen wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:You know, in 2008, I might've considered supporting retirement age if only for its effectiveness against McCain and/or to stick it to people who associate experience with wisdom as though people always learned the right lessons from experience.

Now I realize the same kind of thing could've been used against Sanders, and that wouldn't be too good.

Rather than obsessing over the ages of politicians we should focus on the ages of those who elect them. Instead of voting being an automatic right at 18, you should earn it by graduating from high school.


How many people drop out of high school. And are certain minorities not more affected by this? And wouldn't this not be another case of vote suppression?

Also, what about home schooling?

Minorities are more affected by incarceration, should we abolish that too?

Home schooling is fine for instruction, not tests. If there's a valid reason the kid can't write tests at school, find another scrutinized, invigilated setting in which to write tests, so these kids can prove they actually learned the curriculum content.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:20 pm

I'm more concerned with results than age. Also, if you're going to start comparing to the UK, the queen's in her 90's
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:52 pm

Australian rePublic wrote:I'm more concerned with results than age. Also, if you're going to start comparing to the UK, the queen's in her 90's


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Postby Hurdergaryp » Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:57 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:I'm more concerned with results than age. Also, if you're going to start comparing to the UK, the queen's in her 90's

She's riding her divine mandate 'til God revokes it.

And God appears to grant her the time to watch the United Kingdom desintegrate thanks to the suicidal righteousness of braindead populism and its many wondrous gifts that keep on giving.


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Postby Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio » Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:03 pm

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The New California Republic wrote:The average age of the Soviet Politburo in the 1980s was 70. I remember reading the disparaging comments in the West about that fact. Ironic. :roll:


And the Soviet Union ceased to exist a decade later...

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As long as the politician in question is able to do their job and was voted in proportionally (meaning representative of the entire population politically) and is not on their fourth term, I do not care. Some people become unable to work at fifty, and others do not until after eighty.

Ideally though, all governmental actions currently chosen by elected politicians should be voted on by the people (within the confines of a less open to interpretation constitution), then people will not have to compromise as much when voting (no need to pick someone who only agrees two thirds the time, or someone who agrees 95 % of the time, but has no chance), then this would not be as much of an issue.
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Postby Erythrean Thebes » Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:05 pm

The question is almost too good. But can we generalize about people (Congresspeople) at a given age, or is there too much variance? Elizabeth Warren and Mitch McConnell are not the same type of "older" person by any means - but they both exhibit some evidence that "being older" influences your conduct as a politician...

It could be that intra-party politics is more influential on whether the Senators appear "out of touch" or not. In fact, the more loyal they are to the party establishment, may be the more out of touch they appear, honestly. And they tend to be older, having climbed the ranks. A younger member like Corey Booker has to either stifle his independence or risk falling outside the gravy train of the party...
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:12 pm

Erythrean Thebes wrote:The question is almost too good. But can we generalize about people (Congresspeople) at a given age, or is there too much variance? Elizabeth Warren and Mitch McConnell are not the same type of "older" person by any means - but they both exhibit some evidence that "being older" influences your conduct as a politician...

It could be that intra-party politics is more influential on whether the Senators appear "out of touch" or not. In fact, the more loyal they are to the party establishment, may be the more out of touch they appear, honestly. And they tend to be older, having climbed the ranks. A younger member like Corey Booker has to either stifle his independence or risk falling outside the gravy train of the party...

The older you are as a career politician, the more corrupted you become in order to fit within the party doctrine perfectly?


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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:10 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Valrifell wrote:She's riding her divine mandate 'til God revokes it.

And God appears to grant her the time to watch the United Kingdom desintegrate thanks to the suicidal righteousness of braindead populism and its many wondrous gifts that keep on giving.

What do you expect. After all she is german.
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Postby Erythrean Thebes » Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:52 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Erythrean Thebes wrote:The question is almost too good. But can we generalize about people (Congresspeople) at a given age, or is there too much variance? Elizabeth Warren and Mitch McConnell are not the same type of "older" person by any means - but they both exhibit some evidence that "being older" influences your conduct as a politician...

It could be that intra-party politics is more influential on whether the Senators appear "out of touch" or not. In fact, the more loyal they are to the party establishment, may be the more out of touch they appear, honestly. And they tend to be older, having climbed the ranks. A younger member like Corey Booker has to either stifle his independence or risk falling outside the gravy train of the party...

The older you are as a career politician, the more corrupted you become in order to fit within the party doctrine perfectly?

I think people will decide for themselves if they think these party-line tactics are "corrupt". They certainly stifle innovative policies, and they deter legislators from attacking certain interest groups, if they want to go far up the chain.
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Postby Second Empire of America » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:24 pm

I don't think we need a mandatory retirement age, but we should definitely have quotas mandating that young people should make up at least a third of legislatures.
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Postby Scomagia » Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:31 am

Second Empire of America wrote:I don't think we need a mandatory retirement age, but we should definitely have quotas mandating that young people should make up at least a third of legislatures.

How about no? Quotas are undemocratic. "Sorry Candidate, the people want you and you're very qualified but we have to exclude you from running because we need to fill the quota." That sounds pretty unsound, to me.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:34 am

Second Empire of America wrote:I don't think we need a mandatory retirement age, but we should definitely have quotas mandating that young people should make up at least a third of legislatures.


Trump has kids, can't he just appoint them?

That would solve the problem :)
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Postby Bombadil » Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:40 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:
Second Empire of America wrote:I don't think we need a mandatory retirement age, but we should definitely have quotas mandating that young people should make up at least a third of legislatures.


Trump has kids, can't he just appoint them?

That would solve the problem :)


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He would, especially given he has such a boner for Ivanka.
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Postby Forsher » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:33 am

The logical consequence of age restrictions is older politicians.

Valrifell wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:I'm more concerned with results than age. Also, if you're going to start comparing to the UK, the queen's in her 90's


She's riding her divine mandate 'til God revokes it.


Not the logic of the system.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:38 am

Bombadil wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:
Trump has kids, can't he just appoint them?

That would solve the problem :)


"I’ve heard Ivanka, how good would Ivanka be? It has nothing to do with nepotism but people who know know that Ivanka would be dynamite. I’d be accused of nepotism even if there’s no one more competent in the world."

He would, especially given he has such a boner for Ivanka.


I have too many things in common with Trump :blink:
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Postby Exxosia » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:44 am

I think that any aspect of governance that can be considered to impact on something that someone of advanced age cannot understand or be out of touch with should not be governed on. It indicates that some aspect of life is so detached from the basic aspects of life that any government meddling will make it worse regardless of how "in touch" they are.

Further, I am strongly in favor of term, office, and consecutiveness limits. You can have one term in two offices non-consecutively on each level — local, state, national — for a total of up to six terms spread across six offices if you were to pursue all of them, i.e.; mayor, off, city council, off, state senate, off, governor, off, congressman, off, president would be two offices at each level.

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:41 pm

The blAAtschApen wrote:
Bombadil wrote:"I’ve heard Ivanka, how good would Ivanka be? It has nothing to do with nepotism but people who know know that Ivanka would be dynamite. I’d be accused of nepotism even if there’s no one more competent in the world."

He would, especially given he has such a boner for Ivanka.

I have too many things in common with Trump :blink:

That is not exactly something you should aspire, if only because Thierry Baudet might feel threatened.


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