Highschool band performs offensive halftime show

[Mystic Warriors]

Politics have no place in schools? Cool. Get rid of the Pledge then.

Irrelevant, and fuck no.

Relevant and yes

[Kernen]

Brainwashing is always a harm.

It's nt brainwashing, that is a fucking stupid excuse and borders on conspiracy. It's also irrelevant.

I dunno. The question of what constitutes offensive in schools is relevant to whether the band's performance was offensive. It is brainwashing. Its an oath of loyalty. You don't compel daily oaths of loyalty except to instill a sense of loyalty where there was not one previously. Brainwashing.

[Vassenor]

Brainwashing is always a harm.

It's nt brainwashing, that is a fucking stupid excuse and borders on conspiracy. It's also irrelevant.

So what's wrong with getting rid of it in general?

[Freezic Vast]

It's nt brainwashing, that is a fucking stupid excuse and borders on conspiracy. It's also irrelevant.

I dunno. The question of what constitutes offensive in schools is relevant to whether the band's performance was offensive. It is brainwashing. Its an oath of loyalty. You don't compel daily oaths of loyalty except to instill a sense of loyalty where there was not one previously. Brainwashing.

Nope, there's a difference between a distasteful performance and borderline offensive, and a fucking pledge of allegiance. It's also off-topic and irrelevant.

[Proctopeo]

It's nt brainwashing, that is a fucking stupid excuse and borders on conspiracy. It's also irrelevant.

I dunno. The question of what constitutes offensive in schools is relevant to whether the band's performance was offensive. It is brainwashing. Its an oath of loyalty. You don't compel daily oaths of loyalty except to instill a sense of loyalty where there was not one previously. Brainwashing.

It literally isn't brainwashing, unless their parent(s) had prior indoctrinated them to be anti-American.

[Kernen]

I dunno. The question of what constitutes offensive in schools is relevant to whether the band's performance was offensive. It is brainwashing. Its an oath of loyalty. You don't compel daily oaths of loyalty except to instill a sense of loyalty where there was not one previously. Brainwashing.

It literally isn't brainwashing, unless their parent(s) had prior indoctrinated them to be anti-American.

Its pretty radical to swear a loyalty oath every day if you previously were not likely to do so.

[Jebslund]

I dunno. The question of what constitutes offensive in schools is relevant to whether the band's performance was offensive. It is brainwashing. Its an oath of loyalty. You don't compel daily oaths of loyalty except to instill a sense of loyalty where there was not one previously. Brainwashing.

It literally isn't brainwashing, unless their parent(s) had prior indoctrinated them to be anti-American.

Read, "It literally isn't brainwashing, unless it goes against my values, then it's clearly brainwashing that is meant to undo someone else's brainwashing, because of course everyone raised in the US is patriotic and loves swearing fealty on a daily basis!"

[Proctopeo]

It literally isn't brainwashing, unless their parent(s) had prior indoctrinated them to be anti-American.

Its pretty radical to swear a loyalty oath every day if you previously were not likely to do so.

Given that most people past fourth or fifth grade tend not to give a damn either way, I don't think the "loyalty oath" is very radical.

It literally isn't brainwashing, unless their parent(s) had prior indoctrinated them to be anti-American.

Read, "It literally isn't brainwashing, unless it goes against my values, then it's clearly brainwashing that is meant to undo someone else's brainwashing, because of course everyone raised in the US is patriotic and loves swearing fealty on a daily basis!"

Gneiss strawman my dude

[Jebslund]

Read, "It literally isn't brainwashing, unless it goes against my values, then it's clearly brainwashing that is meant to undo someone else's brainwashing, because of course everyone raised in the US is patriotic and loves swearing fealty on a daily basis!"

Gneiss strawman my dude

What strawman? It's the truth. The only reason you don't see it as brainwashing is because you see it as perfectly normal and view patriotism toward America as the default mindset (as indicated by your use of the phrase "their parent(s) had prior indoctrinated them to be anti-American", as if indoctrination was the only possible way for a child to be anything but patriotic.).

[Proctopeo]

Gneiss strawman my dude

What strawman? It's the truth.

Not really.

The only reason you don't see it as brainwashing is because you see it as perfectly normal and view patriotism toward America as the default mindset

No, I view the default mindset of someone very young as being largely neutral.

(as indicated by your use of the phrase "their parent(s) had prior indoctrinated them to be anti-American", as if indoctrination was the only possible way for a child to be anything but patriotic.).

I like how you equate non-patriotism with anti-Americanism.

[Jebslund]

What strawman? It's the truth.

Not really.

Yes really.

The only reason you don't see it as brainwashing is because you see it as perfectly normal and view patriotism toward America as the default mindset

No, I view the default mindset of someone very young as being largely neutral.

Even if that weren't merely you backpedalling, it's still brainwashing to take someone who is neutral and consistently make them pledge loyalty until they begin to believe it, as opposed to presenting arguments as to why this country deserves such loyalty. It may be a minor form, but it is still a form of brainwashing.

(as indicated by your use of the phrase "their parent(s) had prior indoctrinated them to be anti-American", as if indoctrination was the only possible way for a child to be anything but patriotic.).

I like how you equate non-patriotism with anti-Americanism.

*You* made that conflation. I was merely framing my response to do away with the buzzword "anti-American".

[Vassenor]

So what other nations feel the need to demand daily displays of patriotism and loyalty from the children?

[Fartsniffage]

So what other nations feel the need to demand daily displays of patriotism and loyalty from the children?

Airstrip One. It's then followed by the daily 2 minutes of hate.

[Thermodolia]

Well that's just tasteless on a good day.

Pretty much this

[Dark Socialism]

This is pretty amusing, I hate cops.

[Loben]

This is pretty amusing, I hate cops.

Spectacular.

[Greater Cesnica]

This is pretty amusing, I hate cops.

Alright, when you're bleeding out, and you need to call 911, remember that you hate cops.

[Jebslund]

This is pretty amusing, I hate cops.

Alright, when you're bleeding out, and you need to call 911, remember that you hate cops.

I hate politicians. Doesn't mean Congress isn't useful or necessary. The idea that one is only permitted to hate things one does not need is patently absurd at best. There are such things as necessary evils.

[Greater Cesnica]

Alright, when you're bleeding out, and you need to call 911, remember that you hate cops.

I hate politicians. Doesn't mean Congress isn't useful or necessary. The idea that one is only permitted to hate things one does not need is patently absurd at best. There are such things as necessary evils.

The Police are not evil.

[Proctopeo]

Not really.

Yes really.

Nope.

Even if that weren't merely you backpedalling,

"you believe this!"
"no, I believe another thing"
"Backpedaling!!"

it's still brainwashing to take someone who is neutral and consistently make them pledge loyalty until they begin to believe it, as opposed to presenting arguments as to why this country deserves such loyalty.

Kinda hard to present arguments to a little kid.

It may be a minor form, but it is still a form of brainwashing.

So, not brainwashing at all

*You* made that conflation. I was merely framing my response to do away with the buzzword "anti-American".

The specific context and form of your response highly implies that you are equating the two.

So what other nations feel the need to demand daily displays of patriotism and loyalty from the children?

Airstrip One. It's then followed by the daily 2 minutes of hate.

quietly makes a mark on a board

[Lord Dominator]

Right, so a school parodies or whatever a scene of a movie at a bad time. What's the big deal.
Highly doubt this routine was created and practised in the less than a week since the shooting.

[USS Monitor]

I am appalled that we allow people with clear political bias in our public school systems. Politics have no place in schools where impressionable students go.

Get busy developing AI then. People have political biases.

[Lord Dominator]

I am appalled that we allow people with clear political bias in our public school systems. Politics have no place in schools where impressionable students go.

Get busy developing AI then. People have political biases.

Heck, just hope an AI just pops up on its own. Any human making an AI is probably choosing its political biases

[USS Monitor]

Get busy developing AI then. People have political biases.

Heck, just hope an AI just pops up on its own. Any human making an AI is probably choosing its political biases

That is actually a real issue in AI development, that they can learn biases from the humans around them. Gotta be careful of that.

[Twilight Imperium]

If you're offended by art you need to be vetted whether you are responsible enough to wield your own vote and political opinion.

Hold the phone, did you just agree with Vassenor?