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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:05 am

Kubrath wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:You got someone else in mind in the middle east?

But I am more interested the part of my post you cut out.

The Saudis are sophisticated investors, and have billions of dollars invested in high tech American industries. Apple, uber. Microsoft, Tesla, amazon, etc. I am not seeing the rush to divest these investments.


A number of bigshot American investors withdrew from the Future Investment Initiative over this.


Indeed, but they have not talked about divesting the already invested money, and investment projects are still moving forward, which the article I posted mentioned.

understand I am not claiming the house of Saud is filled with a bunch of.misunderstood good guys. My question is what can the US do about it, that will not fuck up the region worse?
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Postby Kowani » Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:09 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Kubrath wrote:
A number of bigshot American investors withdrew from the Future Investment Initiative over this.


Indeed, but they have not talked about divesting the already invested money, and investment projects are still moving forward, which the article I posted mentioned.

understand I am not claiming the house of Saud is filled with a bunch of.misunderstood good guys. My question is what can the US do about it, that will not fuck up the region worse?

Boots on the ground. Crush ISIS, end SA’s horrible treatment of the Yemeni, and for fucks sake, get Syria to stop killing itself.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:09 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Kubrath wrote:
A number of bigshot American investors withdrew from the Future Investment Initiative over this.


Indeed, but they have not talked about divesting the already invested money, and investment projects are still moving forward, which the article I posted mentioned.

understand I am not claiming the house of Saud is filled with a bunch of.misunderstood good guys. My question is what can the US do about it, that will not fuck up the region worse?

Boots on the ground. Crush ISIS, end SA’s horrible treatment of the Yemeni, and for fucks sake, get Syria to stop killing itself.
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Postby Kubrath » Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:10 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
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A number of bigshot American investors withdrew from the Future Investment Initiative over this.


Indeed, but they have not talked about divesting the already invested money, and investment projects are still moving forward, which the article I posted mentioned.

understand I am not claiming the house of Saud is filled with a bunch of.misunderstood good guys. My question is what can the US do about it, that will not fuck up the region worse?


Yeah, pretty much nothing. They're in too deep. If the Saudis have been getting away with Yemen so far, one journalist isn't gonna turn the tides. I was just surprised that Jamie Dimon and friends decided to save some face. I thought they were above all that "decency" and "humanity" that the plebs like to ramble about.
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Postby Kubrath » Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:12 am

Kowani wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Indeed, but they have not talked about divesting the already invested money, and investment projects are still moving forward, which the article I posted mentioned.

understand I am not claiming the house of Saud is filled with a bunch of.misunderstood good guys. My question is what can the US do about it, that will not fuck up the region worse?

Boots on the ground. Crush ISIS, end SA’s horrible treatment of the Yemeni, and for fucks sake, get Syria to stop killing itself.


According to Trump, ISIS has already been crushed.
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If your commanders are surprised every time they lose a squad, they probably die several minutes into a campaign due to being critically over-gasped.

North Valinka: What kind of an oxymoron is "Libertarian Police State"?
Petroviya: It arrests law makers.

Phocidaea wrote:Maybe democracy isn't the way?

Of course democracy is the way, dammit! There is no such thing as too much democracy!

Fuckin' dictatorships.

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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:17 am

Kowani wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Indeed, but they have not talked about divesting the already invested money, and investment projects are still moving forward, which the article I posted mentioned.

understand I am not claiming the house of Saud is filled with a bunch of.misunderstood good guys. My question is what can the US do about it, that will not fuck up the region worse?

Boots on the ground. Crush ISIS, end SA’s horrible treatment of the Yemeni, and for fucks sake, get Syria to stop killing itself.

The biggest obstacle to invading Saudi Arabia is that it'll start claiming that the U.S. is going to level Mecca and that's when a shitload of volunteer jihadis start swarming.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
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Postby Kubrath » Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:19 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Kowani wrote:Boots on the ground. Crush ISIS, end SA’s horrible treatment of the Yemeni, and for fucks sake, get Syria to stop killing itself.

The biggest obstacle to invading Saudi Arabia is that it'll start claiming that the U.S. is going to level Mecca and that's when a shitload of volunteer jihadis start swarming.


A bigger obstacle is all that money the military-industrial complex is gonna lose over something like this.
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If your commanders are surprised every time they lose a squad, they probably die several minutes into a campaign due to being critically over-gasped.

North Valinka: What kind of an oxymoron is "Libertarian Police State"?
Petroviya: It arrests law makers.

Phocidaea wrote:Maybe democracy isn't the way?

Of course democracy is the way, dammit! There is no such thing as too much democracy!

Fuckin' dictatorships.

Sociobiology wrote:This is the problem with trying to understand the universe with a brain evolved to find ripe fruit and scream defiance at the ape in the next tree.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:20 am

Kubrath wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Indeed, but they have not talked about divesting the already invested money, and investment projects are still moving forward, which the article I posted mentioned.

understand I am not claiming the house of Saud is filled with a bunch of.misunderstood good guys. My question is what can the US do about it, that will not fuck up the region worse?


Yeah, pretty much nothing. They're in too deep. If the Saudis have been getting away with Yemen so far, one journalist isn't gonna turn the tides. I was just surprised that Jamie Dimon and friends decided to save some face. I thought they were above all that "decency" and "humanity" that the plebs like to ramble about.


When dimon divests the Saudi sovereign wealth fund and closes up j.p Morgan Saudi Arabia company, I will admit I was wrong.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:26 am

French and Dutch finance ministers, and the UK trade minister, have all cancelled going to the Riyadh investment conference.
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Postby Rostavykhan » Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:31 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Kowani wrote:Boots on the ground. Crush ISIS, end SA’s horrible treatment of the Yemeni, and for fucks sake, get Syria to stop killing itself.

The biggest obstacle to invading Saudi Arabia is that it'll start claiming that the U.S. is going to level Mecca and that's when a shitload of volunteer jihadis start swarming.



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Postby Genivaria » Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:57 am

Has this already been mentioned?

These are the high-profile participants who have pulled out of the Saudi conference:
JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon
Ford Executive Chairman Bill Ford
Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi
Blackstone CEO Stephen Schwarzman
Blackrock CEO Larry Fink
MasterCard CEO Ajay Banga
Viacom CEO Bob Bakish
HSBC CEO John Flint
Credit Suisse CEO Tidjane Thiam
BNP Paribas Chairman Jean Lemierre
Standard Chartered CEO William Winters
London Stock Exchange CEO David Schwimmer
IMF Managing Director Christine Lagarde
Thrive CEO Ariana Huffington
Google Cloud CEO Diane Greene
Sinovation Ventures CEO Kai-Fu Lee
World Bank President Jim Yong Kim
Los Angeles Times owner Patrick Soon-Shiong
Economist Editor-in-Chief Zanny Minton Beddoes
New York Times columnist Andrew Ross Sorkin

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/15/business ... index.html

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Postby Genivaria » Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:58 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Kowani wrote:Boots on the ground. Crush ISIS, end SA’s horrible treatment of the Yemeni, and for fucks sake, get Syria to stop killing itself.

The biggest obstacle to invading Saudi Arabia is that it'll start claiming that the U.S. is going to level Mecca and that's when a shitload of volunteer jihadis start swarming.

Honestly Jihadists putting themselves in the open is a win/win the way I see it.

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Postby Vistulange » Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:58 am

Having seen some rather graphic and admittedly disgusting photographs - that's an advantage (!) of being close friends with a journalist - I've become thoroughly convinced that the Saudi Arabian regime is just as bad as ISIS.

Honestly, I'm not one to promote military intervention, but if somebody in the region needs to be removed from power, it's the Saud dynasty. They're fucking twisted.

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Postby Genivaria » Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:59 am

Vistulange wrote:Having seen some rather graphic and admittedly disgusting photographs - that's an advantage (!) of being close friends with a journalist - I've become thoroughly convinced that the Saudi Arabian regime is just as bad as ISIS.

Honestly, I'm not one to promote military intervention, but if somebody in the region needs to be removed from power, it's the Saud dynasty. They're fucking twisted.

Yeaaaah, I mean the propagation of Wahhabism arguably was a large factor in the forming of ISIS to begin with.

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Postby Vistulange » Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:01 am

Genivaria wrote:
Vistulange wrote:Having seen some rather graphic and admittedly disgusting photographs - that's an advantage (!) of being close friends with a journalist - I've become thoroughly convinced that the Saudi Arabian regime is just as bad as ISIS.

Honestly, I'm not one to promote military intervention, but if somebody in the region needs to be removed from power, it's the Saud dynasty. They're fucking twisted.

Yeaaaah, I mean the propagation of Wahhabism arguably was a large factor in the forming of ISIS to begin with.

Oh, absolutely. I've been saying since 2015 - Saudi Arabia is just ISIS with a seat in the UN, and has a big boy backing it up. Aside from that, they're an anachronistic, twisted, tyrannical regime that exports nothing but oil and death to the world. No value added whatsoever.

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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:01 am

Genivaria wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:The biggest obstacle to invading Saudi Arabia is that it'll start claiming that the U.S. is going to level Mecca and that's when a shitload of volunteer jihadis start swarming.

Honestly Jihadists putting themselves in the open is a win/win the way I see it.

Numbers add up, especially if people think one of the biggest holy sites in the world is in the crosshairs.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:03 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Honestly Jihadists putting themselves in the open is a win/win the way I see it.

Numbers add up, especially if people think one of the biggest holy sites in the world is in the crosshairs.

Yeah I see your point, we certainly wouldn't want a Arabian regime change turning into Mogadishu x10 and on steroids.

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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:26 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Kubrath wrote:
A number of bigshot American investors withdrew from the Future Investment Initiative over this.

But Steve Mnuchin is still going.


Not anymore he isn't

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-45904904
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:30 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:But Steve Mnuchin is still going.


Not anymore he isn't

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-45904904

General Assembly gesture. The arms deal will still go through.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
The probability of someone secretly participating in homosexual acts is directly proportional to the frequency and loudness of their publicly professed disapproval and/or disgust for homosexuality.
If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

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Postby Shamhnan Insir » Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:12 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Not anymore he isn't

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-45904904

General Assembly gesture. The arms deal will still go through.

I'm not so sure. Saudi has been getting big for its boots and it would not surprise me, given some of the foreign policy meted out recently, for them to be put down a notch or two over this.
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Postby Page » Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:20 am

Vistulange wrote:Having seen some rather graphic and admittedly disgusting photographs - that's an advantage (!) of being close friends with a journalist - I've become thoroughly convinced that the Saudi Arabian regime is just as bad as ISIS.

Honestly, I'm not one to promote military intervention, but if somebody in the region needs to be removed from power, it's the Saud dynasty. They're fucking twisted.


Is your journalist friend going to publish them? Such evidence needs to come out.
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Page wrote:
Vistulange wrote:Having seen some rather graphic and admittedly disgusting photographs - that's an advantage (!) of being close friends with a journalist - I've become thoroughly convinced that the Saudi Arabian regime is just as bad as ISIS.

Honestly, I'm not one to promote military intervention, but if somebody in the region needs to be removed from power, it's the Saud dynasty. They're fucking twisted.


Is your journalist friend going to publish them? Such evidence needs to come out.

It should come out. Just as long as said friend doesn't visit any Saudi Embassies anytime soon.
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Postby Page » Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:15 am

I think we can remove "allegedly" from the title now.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:03 pm

Page wrote:I think we can remove "allegedly" from the title now.


When Turkey releases the evidence.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:31 pm

Page wrote:I think we can remove "allegedly" from the title now.

No no no, they are innocent until proven guilty, and I don't see any evidence, and Trump says they are innocent. Saudi Arabia must be found guilty before a US Court of Law before we can do anything negative, but we do need to rush their confirmation because...

Wait, what are we talking about?
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