Saudis murder Washington Post writer

by **Petrasylvania** » Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:14 pm

Kaggeceria wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...

"Iraq's weapons of mass destruction are controlled by a murderous tyrant, who has already used chemical weapons to kill thousand of people."

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

Ah, repeating the same portion from the beginning of Bush's Invade Iraq speech. Your reading comprehension shows you were clearly Left Behind. Bush wasn't calling for an invasion of Iraq because he claimed the United States was going to get mustard gassed. :^]

by **The Batorys** » Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:12 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
The Batorys wrote:I'd be hard pressed to think of anyone I wouldn't choose over Saudi Arabia.

North Korea

More of a lateral move, in my opinion.

by **An Alan Smithee Nation** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:40 am

The UN are getting involved
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45848603

Despite the Saudi's rather unbelievable denial this is not going away quickly.

by **Petrasylvania** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:57 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:The UN are getting involved
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45848603

Despite the Saudi's rather unbelievable denial this is not going away quickly.

The Saudis will pull an Israel and hide behind the United States.

by **Washington Resistance Army** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 6:07 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:The UN are getting involved
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45848603

Despite the Saudi's rather unbelievable denial this is not going away quickly.

The Saudis will pull an Israel and hide behind the United States.

I dunno, Trump has been ratcheting up the rhetoric lately and this is a very rare issue that seemingly has total bipartisan support for action if it can be proven the Saudis did it.

by **Ifreann** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 6:14 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Turkey are claiming they have a recording of the murder. Presumably also an admission they have the consulate bugged...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45838471

If they do, Saudi Arabia have really screwed the pooch.

Supposedly the recording was from Khashoggi's smart watch, which was synced to his phone, which he left with his girlfriend.

by **An Alan Smithee Nation** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 6:16 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:The UN are getting involved
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45848603

Despite the Saudi's rather unbelievable denial this is not going away quickly.

The Saudis will pull an Israel and hide behind the United States.

Turkey released Andrew Brunson, they must have got something in exchange.

by **Petrasylvania** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 6:17 am

Ifreann wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Turkey are claiming they have a recording of the murder. Presumably also an admission they have the consulate bugged...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45838471

If they do, Saudi Arabia have really screwed the pooch.

Supposedly the recording was from Khashoggi's smart watch, which was synced to his phone, which he left with his girlfriend.

If that's confirmed then Saudi Arabia openly violated consular sanctity and that is a fucking can of sandworms opened.

by **Washington Resistance Army** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 6:18 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:The Saudis will pull an Israel and hide behind the United States.

Turkey released Andrew Brunson, they must have got something in exchange.

That in particular is why I think Trump is on board with doing something about it. They likely let Brunson go for assurances the US would back them on the issue. Or at least that's what I would do.

by **Ifreann** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 6:27 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Turkey released Andrew Brunson, they must have got something in exchange.

That in particular is why I think Trump is on board with doing something about it. They likely let Brunson go for assurances the US would back them on the issue. Or at least that's what I would do.

Trump does love deals.

by **The South Falls** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:02 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Turkey released Andrew Brunson, they must have got something in exchange.

That in particular is why I think Trump is on board with doing something about it. They likely let Brunson go for assurances the US would back them on the issue. Or at least that's what I would do.

That sounds like a deal trump would make.

by **Ism** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:17 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Turkey released Andrew Brunson, they must have got something in exchange.

That in particular is why I think Trump is on board with doing something about it. They likely let Brunson go for assurances the US would back them on the issue. Or at least that's what I would do.

I actually agree with Trump. This feels weird. S-someone shown me his Twitter, I want to go back to normal. Well, “normal”.

by **Tokora** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:57 am

Auze wrote:
Tokora wrote:I'm pretty sure today's Turkey is a far cry from the Secular democracy Ataturk had intended.

Admittedly, there have been 100% less wars with Greece and 90% massacres of Kurds and Assyrians under the current Turkish leadership than during the time of Ataturk.

Turkey since the start of the Ottomans (and probably back in the byzantines as well) simply has never had very good leadership so I just picked the one that attempted to make the country less religiously fanatic.

by **Vistulange** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:26 am

Tokora wrote:
Auze wrote:Admittedly, there have been 100% less wars with Greece and 90% massacres of Kurds and Assyrians under the current Turkish leadership than during the time of Ataturk.

Turkey since the start of the Ottomans (and probably back in the byzantines as well) simply has never had very good leadership so I just picked the one that attempted to make the country less religiously fanatic.

W...are you serious?

Eastern Roman leaders were generally known for turning terrible situations around. The Ottomans played the Great Power game quite well before the Committee of Union and Progress took over, perhaps extending the life of the empire by about a century. The İnönü administration kept the Republic out of the Second World War, a feat generally accepted to be remarkable and considered to have saved Turkey from total destruction by either the Nazis or the Soviets. The triple coalition between the DSP, MHP, and ANAP between 1999-2003 passed through numerous reforms, such as the abolishing of the death penalty.

I mean, I get that Turkey isn't the best country around, but to say that it - and the previous states in the lands it occupies today - has never, ever had "very good leadership" is kind of bullshit.

by **Fartsniffage** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 3:44 pm

Ism wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That in particular is why I think Trump is on board with doing something about it. They likely let Brunson go for assurances the US would back them on the issue. Or at least that's what I would do.

I actually agree with Trump. This feels weird. S-someone shown me his Twitter, I want to go back to normal. Well, “normal”.

Well he's said that he will severely punish the Saudis but won't halt arms sales to them.

by **Petrasylvania** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:08 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Ism wrote:
I actually agree with Trump. This feels weird. S-someone shown me his Twitter, I want to go back to normal. Well, “normal”.

Well he's said that he will severely punish the Saudis but won't halt arms sales to them.

Like how he promised Fire and Fury on North Korea because he made Kim his latest mistress?

by **Petrasylvania** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:09 pm

Like Sperm Donor, Like Offspring, Donald Trump Junior Re-Tweets unsubstantiated bullshit claiming Khashoggi was a jihadi sympathizer and thus implying he deserved to be murdered and hacked up by the fucking Saudis.

Trump Jr. retweets unsubstantiated claim on missing Saudi journalist

by **Kaggeceria** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:35 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Kaggeceria wrote:If Venezuela wasn't ruled by morons we could rely on them for oil instead of the Saudis.

But alas...

I would choose Venezuela over Saudi Arabia any day fam.

I don't know.

At least Saudi Arabia has food...

by **Kowani** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:49 pm

Kaggeceria wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:I would choose Venezuela over Saudi Arabia any day fam.

I don't know.

At least Saudi Arabia has food...

Yeah, that sand sure sure tastes delicious.

So does that executioner's sword.

by **Petrasylvania** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:53 pm

Kowani wrote:
Kaggeceria wrote:I don't know.

At least Saudi Arabia has food...

Yeah, that sand sure sure tastes delicious.

So does that executioner's sword.

Maybe they'll have Khashoggi Stew.

by **An Alan Smithee Nation** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:36 pm

The BBC are suggesting the US and UK are now considering boycotting the Saudi investment conference.

Apparently the media in Saudi Arabia are telling lies like guilty children. Saying things like the Washington Post is owned by Qatar.

by **Kowani** » Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:38 pm

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:The BBC are suggesting the US and UK are now considering boycotting the Saudi investment conference.

Apparently the media in Saudi Arabia are telling lies like guilty children. Saying things like the Washington Post is owned by Qatar.

I see trump's Influence within the Saudi strategy...
'Cause everythings' FAKE NEWS!!!!

by **Tokora** » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:57 am

Vistulange wrote:Eastern Roman leaders were generally known for turning terrible situations around.

I love the Byzantine empire, but I didn't want to imply anatolia became a hellhole just because the Turks came west. e.g. Life as a jew for example was at the mercy of whoever happened to be emperor at the time.

Vistulange wrote:The Ottomans played the Great Power game quite well before the Committee of Union and Progress took over, perhaps extending the life of the empire by about a century.

I just cannot for the life of me respect an empire that takes non-muslim boys for slave soldiers.

by **Vistulange** » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:15 am

Tokora wrote:
Vistulange wrote:Eastern Roman leaders were generally known for turning terrible situations around.

I love the Byzantine empire, but I didn't want to imply anatolia became a hellhole just because the Turks came west. e.g. Life as a jew for example was at the mercy of whoever happened to be emperor at the time.

Quite like most of the world at the time, yes.

So, what does this have to do with the quality of the leadership? The ERE was able to come back from odds that would have ended it.

Tokora wrote:
Vistulange wrote:The Ottomans played the Great Power game quite well before the Committee of Union and Progress took over, perhaps extending the life of the empire by about a century.

I just cannot for the life of me respect an empire that takes non-muslim boys for slave soldiers.

Again, no relevance to the quality of its leadership. I mean, the whole "playing the Great Power game" began mostly in the late 18th century or the early 19th century, when the Empire was at its weakest, and the Jannissary Corps were obliterated in 1826, in the "Auspicious Event". So...I'm not seeing the relation to quality of Ottoman leadership.

by **An Alan Smithee Nation** » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:21 am

UK, France, and Germany are calling for a credible investigation into Khashoggi's disappearance.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-saudi ... KKCN1MO0KQ

Saudis murder Washington Post writer

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