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Postby Petrasylvania » Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:03 pm

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Painisia wrote:If there is evidence of Saudi involvement in this case, then Trump has to impose sanctions. It is not ideal for a conservative president loved by many Christians to support Saudi Arabia, a tyrannical islamic theocracy. I wonder what will be the Saudi`s response? But this is going to be destructive to the world market and economy. Another oil embargo?


I can't speak for all Christians, but it's clear the fundamentalist Evangelicals will defend him no matter what he does. It's been abundantly clear from the beginning that the only god Trump worships is himself, but the fanatics seem to think Trump is a servant of God. Why they think a cognitively impaired conman who would have amounted to nothing if not for his father, a serial philanderer, a man who has openly called for deliberately killing civilians has the blessing of God, I don't know, but I know they think so and they will excuse his every action.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:40 pm

So apparently the Saudis are preparing to release a report admitting he died during a botched interrogation.

https://www.businessinsider.com/jamal-k ... on-2018-10
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/15/middleea ... index.html


EDIT: So someone already posted this. If this does come out to be true, there will be a shitstorm.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:43 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:So apparently the Saudis are preparing to release a report admitting he died during a botched interrogation.

https://www.businessinsider.com/jamal-k ... on-2018-10
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/15/middleea ... index.html


EDIT: So someone already posted this. If this does come out to be true, there will be a shitstorm.

Not from Donnie.
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Postby The South Falls » Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:45 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:So apparently the Saudis are preparing to release a report admitting he died during a botched interrogation.

https://www.businessinsider.com/jamal-k ... on-2018-10
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/15/middleea ... index.html


EDIT: So someone already posted this. If this does come out to be true, there will be a shitstorm.

Not from Donnie.

Some four hundred pound guy was a fake saudi who went rogue.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:56 pm

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Petrasylvania wrote:Not from Donnie.

Some four hundred pound guy was a fake saudi who went rogue.

Seems legit.
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Greater Cesnica wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Some four hundred pound guy was a fake saudi who went rogue.

Seems legit.

And he killed Khashoggi while sitting in his own bed!
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:22 pm

The most sellable of stories. Admits enough to keep the prince clean and has a fall guy.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/16/middleea ... index.html
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

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Ethel mermania wrote:The most sellable of stories. Admits enough to keep the prince clean and has a fall guy.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/16/middleea ... index.html

So why does an interrogation need a forensics specialist exactly?
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Postby Jazz Commies and Sexy Astrophysicists » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:25 pm

I am interested to see what will ultimately become of Saudi Arabia, and whether to U.S. will continue to stand by it as it continues to dismantle its soft power ties across the world. Without the U.S. behind it, I doubt they will be able to maintain the hold on the region they have now.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:28 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:The most sellable of stories. Admits enough to keep the prince clean and has a fall guy.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/16/middleea ... index.html

So why does an interrogation need a forensics specialist exactly?


You don't need to kill someone to spill a little blood. Forensics isn't just for death. But specifically as to why, I dunno.
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Ethel mermania wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:So why does an interrogation need a forensics specialist exactly?


You don't need to kill someone to spill a little blood. Forensics isn't just for death. But specifically as to why, I dunno.

So covering up the tracks in any case.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:37 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
You don't need to kill someone to spill a little blood. Forensics isn't just for death. But specifically as to why, I dunno.

So covering up the tracks in any case.


The article I posted implies that they were torturing him, to get him to agree to go back to Saudi Arabia, it just got out of hand. The most important thing, as far as the Saudis are concerned is The prince did not know.
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Postby Otira » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:40 pm

Is such a killing even legal under Saudi "law"?

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Postby Dahon » Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:05 pm

Otira wrote:Is such a killing even legal under Saudi "law"?


Of course not, but who cares? No one will hold Salman to account, least of all Salman himself.
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Yo, OP. You can take that “allegedly” out of the title now.
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Postby Otira » Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:37 pm

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Otira wrote:Is such a killing even legal under Saudi "law"?


Of course not, but who cares? No one will hold Salman to account, least of all Salman himself.

I feel like there has to be more than meets the eye about this whole thing. Salman seemed like he was courting Western journalism last year. Were Khashoggi's stories really this irritating to him? I have seen claims that Khashoggi had ties to Qatar, and that's why Salman may have wanted him eliminated.

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Postby Petrasylvania » Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:39 pm

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Of course not, but who cares? No one will hold Salman to account, least of all Salman himself.

I feel like there has to be more than meets the eye about this whole thing. Salman seemed like he was courting Western journalism last year. Were Khashoggi's stories really this irritating to him? I have seen claims that Khashoggi had ties to Qatar, and that's why Salman may have wanted him eliminated.

The Saudis also claimed the Washington Post was owned by Qatar.
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Petrasylvania wrote:
Otira wrote:I feel like there has to be more than meets the eye about this whole thing. Salman seemed like he was courting Western journalism last year. Were Khashoggi's stories really this irritating to him? I have seen claims that Khashoggi had ties to Qatar, and that's why Salman may have wanted him eliminated.

The Saudis also claimed the Washington Post was owned by Qatar.

Wow. Link?

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Petrasylvania wrote:The Saudis also claimed the Washington Post was owned by Qatar.

Wow. Link?

SAUDI MEDIA CASTS KHASHOGGI DISAPPEARANCE AS A CONSPIRACY, CLAIMS QATAR OWNS WASHINGTON POST
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What a world we live in. The lies.

For others, the blurb in question:
In a Thursday column for the Saudi daily newspaper Okaz, Mohamed El Saad argued that Khashoggi has advanced the interests of Qatar. He then falsely claimed that Qatar has a “50 percent ownership of the Post and has influence over its editorial direction.” Qatar, notably, has no ownership stake in the Washington Post, a paper that is privately owned by American billionaire Jeff Bezos.

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Given the Sauds have an aversion to the concept of a Qatar so pathological they're considering digging up a fucking trench, all the better to separate Qatar from the Arabian mainland, this ain't really a stretch.
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Otira wrote:

What a world we live in. The lies.

For others, the blurb in question:
In a Thursday column for the Saudi daily newspaper Okaz, Mohamed El Saad argued that Khashoggi has advanced the interests of Qatar. He then falsely claimed that Qatar has a “50 percent ownership of the Post and has influence over its editorial direction.” Qatar, notably, has no ownership stake in the Washington Post, a paper that is privately owned by American billionaire Jeff Bezos.

The Saudis see how Donnie never gets punished for spewing bullshit nonstop, so they figure why not give it a shot?
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Postby Teachian » Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:07 pm

Kowani wrote:When you have the facts, pound the facts. When you have the law, pound the law. And if you have neither, pound the table.


Preferably with a shoe, if your name is Kruschev :p
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Teachian wrote:
Kowani wrote:When you have the facts, pound the facts. When you have the law, pound the law. And if you have neither, pound the table.


Preferably with a shoe, if your name is Kruschev :p

No, no. That shoe could have fed starving Soviet citizens!
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