Saudis murder Washington Post writer

[Nettunia]

I've been whining forever about the hypocrisy of western nations towards KSA. They nuke the living hell out of Yemen and what do we do? Sell 'em weapons. I'm not gonna hate saudi people cause I know that is wrong to do, but gosh that kingdom annoys me so freakin' much!!

[Petrasylvania]

Turkey are claiming they have a recording of the murder. Presumably also an admission they have the consulate bugged...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45838471

If they do, Saudi Arabia have really screwed the pooch.

With the rest of the world anyways.



Donny's hemming and hawing regarding the Saudis will be like Charlottesville, only worse.

[Tarsonis]

I've been whining forever about the hypocrisy of western nations towards KSA. They nuke the living hell out of Yemen and what do we do? Sell 'em weapons. I'm not gonna hate saudi people cause I know that is wrong to do, but gosh that kingdom annoys me so freakin' much!!

Saudi Arabia has tons of oil, one of the most stable governments in the region, and also house the Islamic holy cities of Mecca and Medina. It's pretty much untouchable by any western power.

And while Wahabbists might be a travesty of a religious ideology, they make better friends than the Ayatollah

[Seba Kemet]

Turkey are claiming they have a recording of the murder. Presumably also an admission they have the consulate bugged...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45838471

If they do, Saudi Arabia have really screwed the pooch.

With the rest of the world anyways.



Donny's hemming and hawing regarding the Saudis will be like Charlottesville, only worse.

They touched a glowing orb together, man. You don't just back out of that sort of relationship because of a little torture-murder. Glowy orb friendships are the strongest known to mankind!

[Tokora]

Turkey's about as secular as the Saudis themselves at this point. It's only a matter of time before Erdogan officially makes it a theocracy.

...I mean, I really hate Erdogan, but this is so inaccurate it's kinda funny tbh lol

I'm pretty sure today's Turkey is a far cry from the Secular democracy Ataturk had intended.

[Imperializt Russia]

Trump doesn't want anything to interfere with the arms deal with Saudi Arabia. Though if it is anything like the Al-Yamamah, large parts of the profits will be going back to the Saudi rulers in bribes.

Meanwhile representatives of companies like the New York Times, Uber, and Viacomm are pulling out of a Riyadh conference
Media companies are pulling out of a Saudi investment conference

On the other hand, Donnie's Boys are sending signals to the Saudis that they're not even going to get a wrist slap for murdering Enemy Of The People Khashoggi.

Treasury Secretary Mnuchin 'planning on going' to Saudi event despite journalist's disappearance

Trump made a statement that he had spoken at "the highest levels" with Saudi Arabia.

He did not say "I have spoken with the King", which would indeed be, speaking "at the highest levels".
Either he didn't speak at all, or he's using more of his absurd superlatives again.

[Petrasylvania]

On the other hand, Donnie's Boys are sending signals to the Saudis that they're not even going to get a wrist slap for murdering Enemy Of The People Khashoggi.

Treasury Secretary Mnuchin 'planning on going' to Saudi event despite journalist's disappearance

Trump made a statement that he had spoken at "the highest levels" with Saudi Arabia.

He did not say "I have spoken with the King", which would indeed be, speaking "at the highest levels".
Either he didn't speak at all, or he's using more of his absurd superlatives again.

Probably a randomly rolled prince. Any intelligent human being would avoid having to talk to Donny unless there was no other choice.

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I've been whining forever about the hypocrisy of western nations towards KSA. They nuke the living hell out of Yemen and what do we do? Sell 'em weapons. I'm not gonna hate saudi people cause I know that is wrong to do, but gosh that kingdom annoys me so freakin' much!!

But if we stop giving them weapons to commit genocide, how will arms manufacturers make their money? - A question actually asked by a talking head on CNN

[Imperializt Russia]

I've been whining forever about the hypocrisy of western nations towards KSA. They nuke the living hell out of Yemen and what do we do? Sell 'em weapons. I'm not gonna hate saudi people cause I know that is wrong to do, but gosh that kingdom annoys me so freakin' much!!

But if we stop giving them weapons to commit genocide, how will arms manufacturers make their money? - A question actually asked by a talking head on CNN

And the British government.

[Olerand]

This is very bold by the Saudis. I wonder what was going on in MBS' head. Like, what could have possibly been the outcome for this? No one would have noticed?

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This is very bold by the Saudis. I wonder what was going on in MBS' head. Like, what could have possibly been the outcome for this? No one would have noticed?

They knew that they would be accused, but also that there would be no irrefutable proof and the international community would do nothing, especially since they're not the first nor only country to assassinate one of its own citizens.

[Kaggeceria]

Hmmmmmm....

"Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof - the smoking gun - that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud," Mr Bush said.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...

"Iraq's weapons of mass destruction are controlled by a murderous tyrant, who has already used chemical weapons to kill thousand of people."

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

[Kaggeceria]

Turkey are claiming they have a recording of the murder. Presumably also an admission they have the consulate bugged...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45838471

If they do, Saudi Arabia have really screwed the pooch.

With the rest of the world anyways.



Donny's hemming and hawing regarding the Saudis will be like Charlottesville, only worse.

What the fuck is that thing anyway?

[Senkaku]

...I mean, I really hate Erdogan, but this is so inaccurate it's kinda funny tbh lol

I'm pretty sure today's Turkey is a far cry from the Secular democracy Ataturk had intended.

bruh there's a little bit of fuckin wiggle room between ataturk's wet dream and fucking Saudi Arabia lmao

[Olerand]

This is very bold by the Saudis. I wonder what was going on in MBS' head. Like, what could have possibly been the outcome for this? No one would have noticed?

They knew that they would be accused, but also that there would be no irrefutable proof and the international community would do nothing, especially since they're not the first nor only country to assassinate one of its own citizens.

Sure, but was Kahshoggi worth the PR disaster?

I mean, it is Saudi Arabia after all, so it's not like it's losing a good image, but still. Is he worth it? Apparently, though I would disagree.

[Vistulange]

I'm pretty sure today's Turkey is a far cry from the Secular democracy Ataturk had intended.

bruh there's a little bit of fuckin wiggle room between ataturk's wet dream and fucking Saudi Arabia lmao

The thing many people miss is the vast differences between the regimes they are comparing. For instance, Turkey (and its predecessor, the Ottomans) never had a social class of clergy, unlike Iran. People are pious, for most part, but it hasn't evolved into a coherent social class. Instead, the state apparatus (after 1923) took control of clergy and religion itself, through the Directorate of Religious Affairs. The Directorate, from the way I see it, was meant to water down Islam and transform it into a sort of "modern Islam", akin to how Christianity is in Western Europe nowadays. However, with the AKP government, the Directorate has generally become a laughing stock for their ludicrous statements.

As for Saudi Arabia levels of reactionary movements, the AKP isn't exactly "fundamentalist". The AKP is highly conservative, but "religious rule" is not something on Erdoğan's agenda. That ended in 1997, when the 28 February Process did two things: Obliterate the hardliner, fundamentalist veins of Islamism in Turkey, the most prominent of which was the Welfare Party under Necmettin Erbakan; and open the way for "moderate Islamism", such as the AKP. The AKP is primarily a neoliberal, conservative party whose conservatism is a bit harsher than your average European political party, obviously, and they are obviously much more accepting of draconian measures for this end or that.

The thing is, the trappings of a republic are enough for the AKP. They don't need to declare some monarchy or something - that wouldn't sit well with many people, despite what you may think. Same with transitioning to a theocracy along the lines of Iran. For one, the clergy just isn't there. Are state-employed imams, who receive monthly wages and are taxed, literally being just another state employee, going to run a country? The thought of imams running the country is a bit ludicrous, from a Turkish perspective. Now, if Fetullah Gülen had had his way, that would have been another story, but Erdoğan is content to play Putin: Keep the Republic, consolidate his base, and never give up power if possible.

[Liriena]

This goes to show how aware the Saudis are of their international impunity. Not only can they get away with carrying out a genocide in Yemen in plain sight, they can also brutally murder American residents without the government of the world's superpower doing anything to hold them accountable.

[Tarsonis]

This goes to show how aware the Saudis are of their international impunity. Not only can they get away with carrying out a genocide in Yemen in plain sight, they can also brutally murder American residents without the government of the world's superpower doing anything to hold them accountable.

[Greater Cesnica]

This goes to show how aware the Saudis are of their international impunity. Not only can they get away with carrying out a genocide in Yemen in plain sight, they can also brutally murder American residents without the government of the world's superpower doing anything to hold them accountable.

I got an idea.

Method One: Trojan USB

1. Drop a USB in the parking lots of every oil production plant or commercial building associated with Saudi Arabian Oil.
2. Infect that USB with a trojan that once injected, cannot be removed- period.
3. Allow this trojan to silently crawl through the system of connected computers until they make it to the code that controls the oil pumps.
4. Install malware that will crash every pump at a designated time and date.
5. Get a similar bit of code to the computer systems that are involved in the refining process, same effect.
6. In the commercial buildings, set the malware to wipe the hard disks of every computer at that same designated time and date.
7. And watch them lose their shit.

Method Two: Invade Saudi Arabia

1. Blame the loss of a U.S warship on Saudi Arabia
2. Go ham on them.
3. Enjoy the benefits of the oil you just took over, as the United Nations and the majority of the world throw a hissy fit at your flagrant violation of international law, as they find out the warship had just conveniently 'disappeared' and ended up in the Bering Strait somehow.

[Kaggeceria]

This goes to show how aware the Saudis are of their international impunity. Not only can they get away with carrying out a genocide in Yemen in plain sight, they can also brutally murder American residents without the government of the world's superpower doing anything to hold them accountable.

If Venezuela wasn't ruled by morons we could rely on them for oil instead of the Saudis.

But alas...

[Greater Cesnica]

If Venezuela wasn't ruled by morons we could rely on them for oil instead of the Saudis.

But alas...

I would choose Venezuela over Saudi Arabia any day fam.

[The Batorys]

If Venezuela wasn't ruled by morons we could rely on them for oil instead of the Saudis.

But alas...

I would choose Venezuela over Saudi Arabia any day fam.

I'd be hard pressed to think of anyone I wouldn't choose over Saudi Arabia.

[Tarsonis]

I would choose Venezuela over Saudi Arabia any day fam.

I'd be hard pressed to think of anyone I wouldn't choose over Saudi Arabia.

North Korea

[Olerand]

I'd be hard pressed to think of anyone I wouldn't choose over Saudi Arabia.

North Korea

I'd prefer North Korea. The damage it has done to the world at large is much, much less significant.

[Auze]

...I mean, I really hate Erdogan, but this is so inaccurate it's kinda funny tbh lol

I'm pretty sure today's Turkey is a far cry from the Secular democracy Ataturk had intended.

Admittedly, there have been 100% less wars with Greece and 90% massacres of Kurds and Assyrians under the current Turkish leadership than during the time of Ataturk.