Chicago Police Officer Convicted of Murder

[Genivaria]

So we're doing made up scenarios now?

The man who was doing nothing and was shot for seemingly no reason?

Yes you can.

Not by law, there’s a “stand your ground” law where this happens that makes it illegal for police officers to retreat unless, y’know, superior firepower.

*facepalm* that is so fucking ignorant.
1. Stand your ground has nothing to do with police, it applies to private citizens.
2. It does NOT say that you CANNOT retreat but that you are not obligated to.
Please learn WTF you're talking about.

So you're completely wrong in claiming that a cop isn't allowed to retreat, that's just asinine.

[Oil exporting People]

Well, looking at the footage for the shooting, before Ronald McDonald gets shot, you can clearly see him holding an object as he's walking away, which he turns towards the officers, and does a cool little spin and got shot. So in that situation, the officers saw a weapon, and shot in fear of their life. Though, I do agree, they shouldn't have shot him, and instead used better means to apprehend him, and Dick Van Dyke here should be punished for killing somebody instead of dealing with the situation better.

His name was Lachlan and he didn't rush at the officer with the knife. there was no reason whatsoever to shoot him. and the officers name was Jason.

Except for the fact he had a knife and was refusing the Officer's order to drop it, of course. Quite frankly, 16 shots was far too low for this dumb fuck.

[Loben]

Give cops extended magazines.

[Ifreann]

His name was Lachlan and he didn't rush at the officer with the knife. there was no reason whatsoever to shoot him. and the officers name was Jason.

Except for the fact he had a knife and was refusing the Officer's order to drop it, of course. Quite frankly, 16 shots was far too low for this dumb fuck.

I'm surprised that you don't sympathise with this man. Don't you yourself regularly get rather intoxicated? Surely you'd want the police to hold off on using force on you if the demon drink had made you a bit too belligerent to immediately obey their orders, as long as you weren't actually posing a danger to anyone. As I understand it, that's what the officers on the scene were doing. Keeping their distance, waiting for backup to arrive with tasers and shit. All but one of them.

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Give cops extended magazines.

[Loben]

Perfect

[Bakery Hill]

In these cases, for many people, the circumstances do not matter because the people are symbols. One is a cultural enemy and one is a cultural ally. You can empathise more with and find common cause with your ally.

[Oil exporting People]

I'm surprised that you don't sympathise with this man. Don't you yourself regularly get rather intoxicated? Surely you'd want the police to hold off on using force on you if the demon drink had made you a bit too belligerent to immediately obey their orders, as long as you weren't actually posing a danger to anyone. As I understand it, that's what the officers on the scene were doing. Keeping their distance, waiting for backup to arrive with tasers and shit. All but one of them.

Nah, if I'm being a dumbass holding a knife and refusing commands, my ass deserves getting shot. Secondly, if someone holds their alcohol that poorly, they deserve to get shot period for being a bitch.

[San Lumen]

I'm surprised that you don't sympathise with this man. Don't you yourself regularly get rather intoxicated? Surely you'd want the police to hold off on using force on you if the demon drink had made you a bit too belligerent to immediately obey their orders, as long as you weren't actually posing a danger to anyone. As I understand it, that's what the officers on the scene were doing. Keeping their distance, waiting for backup to arrive with tasers and shit. All but one of them.

Nah, if I'm being a dumbass holding a knife and refusing commands, my ass deserves getting shot. Secondly, if someone holds their alcohol that poorly, they deserve to get shot period for being a bitch.

The officer should have been acquitted then?

[Ifreann]

I'm surprised that you don't sympathise with this man. Don't you yourself regularly get rather intoxicated? Surely you'd want the police to hold off on using force on you if the demon drink had made you a bit too belligerent to immediately obey their orders, as long as you weren't actually posing a danger to anyone. As I understand it, that's what the officers on the scene were doing. Keeping their distance, waiting for backup to arrive with tasers and shit. All but one of them.

Nah, if I'm being a dumbass holding a knife and refusing commands, my ass deserves getting shot. Secondly, if someone holds their alcohol that poorly, they deserve to get shot period for being a bitch.

It is a shame that you put so little value on your own life.

[Oil exporting People]

Nah, if I'm being a dumbass holding a knife and refusing commands, my ass deserves getting shot. Secondly, if someone holds their alcohol that poorly, they deserve to get shot period for being a bitch.

The officer should have been acquitted then?

Not only acquitted, commended, and put in charge of a special unit to keep up the good work.

[San Lumen]

The officer should have been acquitted then?

Not only acquitted, commended, and put in charge of a special unit to keep up the good work.

He shot the guy sixteen times. At no point did he ever attempt to attack the officer. Are you one of the those people who think police officers are infallible?

[Oil exporting People]

He shot the guy sixteen times.

Good, he should've kept it up until he was sure he was dead.

At no point did he ever attempt to attack the officer.

Except he was holding a knife and refused commands to drop it.

Are you one of the those people who think police officers are infallible?

Are you one of those people who don't understand critical thinking?

[San Lumen]

He shot the guy sixteen times.

Good, he should've kept it up until he was sure he was dead.

At no point did he ever attempt to attack the officer.

Except he was holding a knife and refused commands to drop it.

Are you one of the those people who think police officers are infallible?

Are you one of those people who don't understand critical thinking?

That does not justify shooting him sixteen times even after he was on the ground. I understand critical thinking just fine.

I wonder if you would have defended the actions of the officer in Salt Lake City who was fired after assaulting a nurse and dragging her out of the hospital. she refused to give him a blood sample because the patient was under sedation. Under Utah law it was a illegal order. Was he in the right and should not have been fired?

Here's a link:https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/10/us/utah-police-officer-fired.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

[Oil exporting People]

That does not justify shooting him sixteen times even after he was on the ground.

You're right, he should've shot him double the amount for being a dumbass.

I understand critical thinking just fine.

I understand critical thinking just fine.

I don't think you do, given you post things like this:

I wonder if you would have defended the actions of the officer in Salt Lake City who was fired after assaulting a nurse and dragging her out of the hospital. she refused to give him a blood sample because the patient was under sedation. Under Utah law it was a illegal order. Was he in the right and should not have been fired?

[Ifreann]

Good, he should've kept it up until he was sure he was dead.



Except he was holding a knife and refused commands to drop it.



Are you one of those people who don't understand critical thinking?

That does not justify shooting him sixteen times even after he was on the ground. I understand critical thinking just fine.

I wonder if you would have defended the actions of the officer in Salt Lake City who was fired after assaulting a nurse and dragging her out of the hospital. she refused to give him a blood sample because the patient was under sedation. Under Utah law it was a illegal order. Was he in the right and should not have been fired?

I'm gonna save you some time.

Every example of police violence you bring up, OEP is going to say he supports it, or that it didn't go far enough. You'll act outraged, and he'll call for even more violence while he laughs at you.

[San Lumen]

That does not justify shooting him sixteen times even after he was on the ground.

You're right, he should've shot him double the amount for being a dumbass.

I understand critical thinking just fine.

I understand critical thinking just fine.

I don't think you do, given you post things like this:

I wonder if you would have defended the actions of the officer in Salt Lake City who was fired after assaulting a nurse and dragging her out of the hospital. she refused to give him a blood sample because the patient was under sedation. Under Utah law it was a illegal order. Was he in the right and should not have been fired?

You didn't answer the question

[Oil exporting People]

You didn't answer the question

Because it's a logical fallacy that, besides being beyond dumb, has no bearing on the topic of the thread.

[San Lumen]

You didn't answer the question

Because it's a logical fallacy that, besides being beyond dumb, has no bearing on the topic of the thread.

No it isnt. Im asking you if think police officers should not be held accountable for the actions.

[Oil exporting People]

Because it's a logical fallacy that, besides being beyond dumb, has no bearing on the topic of the thread.

No it isnt. Im asking you if think police officers should not be held accountable for the actions.

And I said that's an inherently dumb question that's also a logical fallacy. Try again.

[Ifreann]

Or maybe you'll ignore me and waste your time any way...

[San Lumen]

No it isnt. Im asking you if think police officers should not be held accountable for the actions.

And I said that's an inherently dumb question that's also a logical fallacy. Try again.

How is it a logical fallacy? I get the feeling you believe the officer in Salt Lake City shouldn't have been fired and the nurse should have just obeyed him and then lost her job and possibly faced charges for violating state law.

[Oil exporting People]

How is it a logical fallacy?

Educate yourself before attempting to debate further.

I get the feeling you believe the officer in Salt Lake City shouldn't have been fired and the nurse should have just obeyed him and then lost her job and possibly faced charges for violating state law.

"I understand critical thinking."

[Heloin]

How is it a logical fallacy?

Educate yourself before attempting to debate further.

I get the feeling you believe the officer in Salt Lake City shouldn't have been fired and the nurse should have just obeyed him and then lost her job and possibly faced charges for violating state law.

"I understand critical thinking."

But how is the question "should police officers be held accountable for the actions." a logical fallacy?

edit 4: How do I write this so poorly?!

[San Lumen]

Educate yourself before attempting to debate further.



"I understand critical thinking."

But how is the question "should police officers be held accountable for the actions." a logical fallacy?

edit 4: How do I write this so poorly?!

I dont see how its a logical fallacy either