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by Durzan » Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:09 pm
by San Lumen » Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:37 pm
Durzan wrote:Scomagia wrote:Manslaughter would have been appropriate, I think. /Notalawyer
Manslaughter (Killing the Person), Use of Excessive Force (Multiple Gunshot wounds), and a single charge of Battery (shooting while the guy was down) are the only charges that should've been brought up.
Under the circumstances, the only charges that should've even had a chance of going through would be Excessive Use of Force and possibly manslaughter. 2nd degree murder and battery for every single bullet fired is a gross injustice for the officer. Honestly, this man should've been given a light sentence at worst and been completely acquitted at best, given the circumstances described here. That being said, #NotALawyer.
by Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:22 pm
Marcianus wrote:Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:It is hardly rare that police are held accountable for their actions. It is often misconstrued as such.
Once, you get off of CNN, and start thinking for yourself and stop listening to the Anti-Police propaganda the left is pushing, you will find the opposite.
by Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:33 pm
by Dreshand » Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:13 pm
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by Napkiraly » Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:16 pm
This is what the first responding officers had requested and were waiting for. In the meantime they were observing him to make sure he didn't become a greater threat.Dreshand wrote:Maybe a taser or pepper spray? As someone said earlier he had none of them.
No civilians were in immediate danger. Hence why the first responding officers stated they did not believe lethal force was necessary.Walk away maybe? Or talk him down? Someone high on PCP, holding a knife with civilian lives potential in threat isn't really someone you should do either to
by Dreshand » Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:48 pm
Napkiraly wrote:This is what the first responding officers had requested and were waiting for. In the meantime they were observing him to make sure he didn't become a greater threat.Dreshand wrote:Maybe a taser or pepper spray? As someone said earlier he had none of them.No civilians were in immediate danger. Hence why the first responding officers stated they did not believe lethal force was necessary.Walk away maybe? Or talk him down? Someone high on PCP, holding a knife with civilian lives potential in threat isn't really someone you should do either to
Jason Van Dyke is a trigger happy pussy, what can I say.
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by Napkiraly » Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:51 pm
Dreshand wrote:Napkiraly wrote:This is what the first responding officers had requested and were waiting for. In the meantime they were observing him to make sure he didn't become a greater threat.
No civilians were in immediate danger. Hence why the first responding officers stated they did not believe lethal force was necessary.
Jason Van Dyke is a trigger happy pussy, what can I say.
That... actually makes sense, the guy was quite close though but for all the other points I have to say you seem in the right here
by Dreshand » Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:53 pm
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by Bombadil » Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:45 pm
by Ausinia » Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:47 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:San Lumen wrote:do you honesty believe police officers can do no wrong? It was perfectly acceptable to shoot him sixteen times even after he was on the ground? Are you freaking serious?
He could have stood back and stabbed if not shot enough. The officer didn’t know whether or not the criminal was on hard drugs/major painkillers.
And understandably, the officer was scared and reasonably overreacted a little.
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by Petrasylvania » Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:49 pm
by Nui-ta » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:52 pm
by Isilanka » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:28 am
Nui-ta wrote:He should have been given a taser. Any cop who gets to have a gun also needs a taser, because not every situation can be solved with a gun.
This is regrettable on all counts. McDonald didn't need to die, and Van Dyke didn't need to go through this.
by Ifreann » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:02 am
Xelsis wrote:Scomagia wrote:Seems like justice was served, to me. He was absolutely wrong to shoot the kid sixteen fucking times.
I'll ask the same question-the man with a knife who you just shot seems to be getting up. He is close enough that, he can charge and stab you. You don't have a taser. You're a police officer, you can't retreat. What do you do?
Scomagia wrote:Xelsis wrote:
I'll ask the same question-the man with a knife who you just shot seems to be getting up. He is close enough that, he can charge and stab you. You don't have a taser. You're a police officer, you can't retreat. What do you do?
I get your point. I really do. But there is a middle ground between completely unloading and doing nothing. Unlike many others who will respond to this thread, I don't have an anticop bias. He did wrong and deserved to be punished. I will completely agree that charging an individual count of assault for each round was preposterous. That doesn't mean he wasn't criminally culpable, however.
by Genivaria » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:33 am
Xelsis wrote:Scomagia wrote:Seems like justice was served, to me. He was absolutely wrong to shoot the kid sixteen fucking times.
I'll ask the same question-the man with a knife who you just shot seems to be getting up. He is close enough that, he can charge and stab you. You don't have a taser. You're a police officer, you can't retreat. What do you do?
the man with a knife who you just shot seems to be getting up
You're a police officer, you can't retreat
by Kowani » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:49 am
Genivaria wrote:Xelsis wrote:
I'll ask the same question-the man with a knife who you just shot seems to be getting up. He is close enough that, he can charge and stab you. You don't have a taser. You're a police officer, you can't retreat. What do you do?
So we're doing made up scenarios now?the man with a knife who you just shot seems to be getting up
The man who was doing nothing and was shot for seemingly no reason?You're a police officer, you can't retreat
Yes you can.
by Ifreann » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:52 am
Kowani wrote:Genivaria wrote:So we're doing made up scenarios now?
The man who was doing nothing and was shot for seemingly no reason?
Yes you can.
Not by law, there’s a “stand your ground” law where this happens that makes it illegal for police officers to retreat unless, y’know, superior firepower.
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