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Would you help her?

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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:03 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:Where? In a movie? Because based on how you think the work place works I highly doubt you’ve seen people act like this


in day to day life

wherever you have large crowds

Ya I don’t believe you
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:18 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
in day to day life

wherever you have large crowds

Ya I don’t believe you


why does it matter?

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Postby Musselshell » Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:50 pm

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Musselshell wrote:the snooty lead female even has red hair and high fashion until she gets muddy...


is her attitude very similar to the Felicie character in this hypothetical? or not as extreme?


The similarities are in archtype only, scenarios are totally different. Ages different. no way your scenario was from the movie.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:06 am

Musselshell wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
is her attitude very similar to the Felicie character in this hypothetical? or not as extreme?


The similarities are in archtype only, scenarios are totally different. Ages different. no way your scenario was from the movie.


Indeed, as I’ve never seen

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:27 am

I may as well let her. All I gotta do is let her in and maybe clean up after her. It can't hurt, and she's been humiliated and humbled enough and is humbly , and sometimes, you just gotta be the better man.

I believe there is some duty of care, as it’s your party, and someone in a vunerable position is humbly asking your help, however it is understandable to decline, given the way she has treated me. That said, all she did was play a prank and have a general snobbish disposition. Hardly a capital crime.

But lemme guess, somehow, everyone who says they will help her must also support communism or torture or must be against due process.

Real talk tho, you might be a decent writer if you left out your bizarre love of torture and the USSR and your bizarre hatred for due process.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:43 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I may as well let her. All I gotta do is let her in and maybe clean up after her. It can't hurt, and she's been humiliated and humbled enough and is humbly , and sometimes, you just gotta be the better man.

I believe there is some duty of care, as it’s your party, and someone in a vunerable position is humbly asking your help, however it is understandable to decline, given the way she has treated me. That said, all she did was play a prank and have a general snobbish disposition. Hardly a capital crime.

But lemme guess, somehow, everyone who says they will help her must also support communism or torture or must be against due process.

Real talk tho, you might be a decent writer if you left out your bizarre love of torture and the USSR and your bizarre hatred for due process.


I don't understand how you got to the bolded part.

Also, what does torture or the USSR or due process have to do with this?
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:28 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I may as well let her. All I gotta do is let her in and maybe clean up after her. It can't hurt, and she's been humiliated and humbled enough and is humbly , and sometimes, you just gotta be the better man.

I believe there is some duty of care, as it’s your party, and someone in a vunerable position is humbly asking your help, however it is understandable to decline, given the way she has treated me. That said, all she did was play a prank and have a general snobbish disposition. Hardly a capital crime.

But lemme guess, somehow, everyone who says they will help her must also support communism or torture or must be against due process.

Real talk tho, you might be a decent writer if you left out your bizarre love of torture and the USSR and your bizarre hatred for due process.


I don't understand how you got to the bolded part.

Also, what does torture or the USSR or due process have to do with this?

I apologize, I was being coy.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:30 am

Des-Bal wrote:1. "You can't come in my house, you're filthy. Why would you come to a party caked in filth you horrible pig monster?"

2. Forgiveness happens or it doesn't, it's not a choice. Also your hypothetical me is a lot more high strung than actual me I would not be horribly offended. I would think it was funny someone showed up overdressed to a party and acted awful all the time.

3. Jesus fucking christ that was a very long road to a very simple hypothetical.

Forgiveness is always a choice.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:07 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:1. "You can't come in my house, you're filthy. Why would you come to a party caked in filth you horrible pig monster?"

2. Forgiveness happens or it doesn't, it's not a choice. Also your hypothetical me is a lot more high strung than actual me I would not be horribly offended. I would think it was funny someone showed up overdressed to a party and acted awful all the time.

3. Jesus fucking christ that was a very long road to a very simple hypothetical.

Forgiveness is always a choice.


Yes it is

But does she deserve it?

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Postby New Kvenland » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:39 pm

I have a feeling people in the prompt are laughing with her because whoever the protagonist is here is *massively* overreacting to a simple prank. I mean, you stepped in some mud, get over it. Also the girl is kind of an asshole, but if those clothes are that expensive she has reason to be, that's hundreds of bucks ruined

That being said, assuming all of this is what happened, which I am physically incapable of believing but whatever, of course you give her the shower. She was a bit rude to you, she didn't commit genocide or suplex your kitten. It ain't about deserving forgiveness, it's about deserving kindness, and nearly everyone deserves at least a modicum of that
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:41 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Forgiveness is always a choice.


Yes it is

But does she deserve it?

Yeh. She didn't do much wrong other than playing a small prank, being a general snob, and reveling in a crowd, and she's already got her comeuppance for that.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:07 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Yes it is

But does she deserve it?

Yeh. She didn't do much wrong other than playing a small prank, being a general snob, and reveling in a crowd, and she's already got her comeuppance for that.


so you're saying, her karma account checks out at net zero (perfect balance) after the mud fall... and any further abuse/passive-aggression against her would tilt her account towards imbalance?

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:11 am

New Kvenland wrote:I have a feeling people in the prompt are laughing with her because whoever the protagonist is here is *massively* overreacting to a simple prank. I mean, you stepped in some mud, get over it. Also the girl is kind of an asshole, but if those clothes are that expensive she has reason to be, that's hundreds of bucks ruined

That being said, assuming all of this is what happened, which I am physically incapable of believing but whatever, of course you give her the shower. She was a bit rude to you, she didn't commit genocide or suplex your kitten. It ain't about deserving forgiveness, it's about deserving kindness, and nearly everyone deserves at least a modicum of that


Yes the clothes cost hundreds to perhaps thousands. You can bet she does not buy on discounts. She's massively upset/hurt/distressed because of the permanent damage to the clothes (she thinks the mud can never 100% be removed). Also, she's in psychological distress because the people will Remember this. There's no removing this episode from existence; its in the minds of everyone now.

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Postby Marginal Territory » Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:05 am

1. She's merely annoying
2. My friends are assholes and I should get new friends, this is the central thing
3. Disliking someone doesn't give you blanket permission to be needlessly awful to them. This is just weird pettiness that would never even have occurred to most people.
4. On a related note, my character has been overreacting this entire time and their life sounds exhausting
5. I do believe there's a duty to forgiveness, but this is scarcely even a case of that. This is a matter of non-escalation at best, and honestly more of a matter of non-displacement. Your real issue is clearly with your friends.

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:27 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
New Kvenland wrote:I have a feeling people in the prompt are laughing with her because whoever the protagonist is here is *massively* overreacting to a simple prank. I mean, you stepped in some mud, get over it. Also the girl is kind of an asshole, but if those clothes are that expensive she has reason to be, that's hundreds of bucks ruined

That being said, assuming all of this is what happened, which I am physically incapable of believing but whatever, of course you give her the shower. She was a bit rude to you, she didn't commit genocide or suplex your kitten. It ain't about deserving forgiveness, it's about deserving kindness, and nearly everyone deserves at least a modicum of that


Yes the clothes cost hundreds to perhaps thousands. You can bet she does not buy on discounts. She's massively upset/hurt/distressed because of the permanent damage to the clothes (she thinks the mud can never 100% be removed). Also, she's in psychological distress because the people will Remember this. There's no removing this episode from existence; its in the minds of everyone now.

It sounds like all the people at this party are assholes, so why worry about what they think? Just never spend time with them again.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:31 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Yeh. She didn't do much wrong other than playing a small prank, being a general snob, and reveling in a crowd, and she's already got her comeuppance for that.


so you're saying, her karma account checks out at net zero (perfect balance) after the mud fall... and any further abuse/passive-aggression against her would tilt her account towards imbalance?

I didn't say anything about karma.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:32 am

Ifreann wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Yes the clothes cost hundreds to perhaps thousands. You can bet she does not buy on discounts. She's massively upset/hurt/distressed because of the permanent damage to the clothes (she thinks the mud can never 100% be removed). Also, she's in psychological distress because the people will Remember this. There's no removing this episode from existence; its in the minds of everyone now.

It sounds like all the people at this party are assholes, so why worry about what they think? Just never spend time with them again.


Because they are the cool people at the university

If you get in their bad books, they’ll make you look very bad

Everyone wants to be one of Them

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:36 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
so you're saying, her karma account checks out at net zero (perfect balance) after the mud fall... and any further abuse/passive-aggression against her would tilt her account towards imbalance?

I didn't say anything about karma.


Do you believe in karma accounts?

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:38 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Ifreann wrote:It sounds like all the people at this party are assholes, so why worry about what they think? Just never spend time with them again.


Because they are the cool people at the university

If you get in their bad books, they’ll make you look very bad

Everyone wants to be one of Them

Who cares? I'm not in a fictionalised American high school, I don't need to grovel to the popular kids.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:02 am

Ifreann wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Because they are the cool people at the university

If you get in their bad books, they’ll make you look very bad

Everyone wants to be one of Them

Who cares? I'm not in a fictionalised American high school, I don't need to grovel to the popular kids.


University has cliques too

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Postby Alvecia » Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:04 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Who cares? I'm not in a fictionalised American high school, I don't need to grovel to the popular kids.


University has cliques too

Not in my experience

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:11 am

Alvecia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
University has cliques too

Not in my experience


It’s not specified in the op but the premise is that these friends are powerful and not to be offended. If you’re In your safe (except when you get screwed over like with that mud trick).

They run the rumor mills. If you’re Out and on bad terms, they can cast a Friend Zone net over the whole campus against you. You will be so bad mouthed that dates will almost 100 percent be off limits for you.

Also, invitations to parties will be out.

In other words, you will be left to bleed.

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Postby Alvecia » Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:15 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Not in my experience


It’s not specified in the op but the premise is that these friends are powerful and not to be offended. If you’re In your safe (except when you get screwed over like with that mud trick).

They run the rumor mills. If you’re Out and on bad terms, they can cast a Friend Zone net over the whole campus against you. You will be so bad mouthed that dates will almost 100 percent be off limits for you.

Also, invitations to parties will be out.

In other words, you will be left to bleed.

Sounds like a fantasy. Definitely not at all realistic.
Either way, I'd bleed. Those aren't the kind of people I want in my life, and if any other friends of mine are more likely to believe this magical rumor mill, then neither are they.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:19 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Who cares? I'm not in a fictionalised American high school, I don't need to grovel to the popular kids.


University has cliques too

Aye, but it isn't as extreme as High School, not by any stretch of the imagination. People are far more open at University. In fact, most University students that are straight out of High School tend to deeply regret what closed-minded pricks that they were in their High School days...
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:19 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Who cares? I'm not in a fictionalised American high school, I don't need to grovel to the popular kids.


University has cliques too

The university I went to had tens of thousands of students. It's not possible to have a "popular kids" clique among that many people. Social circles formed within courses, clubs and societies, and residences, and these overlapped and intersected, but there were no "popular kids" who could make anyone look bad, or who everyone wanted to be one of. You're confusing the real world and entertainment media again.
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