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Postby Kaggeceria » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:15 pm

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Kaggeceria wrote:So carrying a gun onto a roof is not illegal. You need more than that to arrest them. You would need evidence that they agreed to commit a crime... like I said.

It doesn't need to be illegal, it's suspicious.

Yes, it is. And it was investigated.
Yes, they can hold them without charging them. We call this detaining people. Which I believe is what they did.

Being detained is when the police stop someone briefly to ask them questions. Any more serious restriction on someone's movement than that is an arrest. But they weren't arrested. So we can infer that the police found these men and their cache of weapons, asked them who they are and what they were doing, and then let them go.

Which is detaining someone. They investigated it, questioned them, found the weapons were legal and that there was no evidence that they had agreed to commit.
You still don't understand the difference between arresting someone and detaining them. This whole thing was investigated. There was not enough evidence to charge them with anything.

I do understand the difference. I just explained it to you. The investigation could not have been any more than officers asking them questions where they were found.

It could have been them being detained, asked questions, and checked to make sure the weapons were legal.

You cannot arrest people for carrying around legal weapons in an open carry state.

I mean, you could. But that smells like a civil rights violation. You need more than that.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:19 pm

Kaggeceria wrote:You cannot arrest people for carrying around legal weapons in an open carry state.

I mean, you could. But that smells like a civil rights violation. You need more than that.


They weren't walking around carrying legal weapons. They were congregated at a vantage point over an upcoming political event.

I think most reasonable people would agree that would meet the smell test for a trip to the police station and a sit down talk. The police were clearly not entirely happy with their explanation on the scene as they confiscated the legally carried weapons.

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Postby Bakery Hill » Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:19 pm

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That guy later became a Trumper, it's not like you have an ideologically consistent person here, more so just the type of weak minded individual who latches on to whatever ideology best fits their delusions at the moment.

Didn't he die?
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Postby Loben » Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:22 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
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That guy later became a Trumper, it's not like you have an ideologically consistent person here, more so just the type of weak minded individual who latches on to whatever ideology best fits their delusions at the moment.

Didn't he die?


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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:30 pm

Yeah I’d consider most cases where your openly walking in a large group walking around with guns would look mighty suspicious
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:32 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:Yeah I’d consider most cases where your openly walking in a large group walking around with guns would look mighty suspicious


Not openly walking about. Camping out on a vantage point over the route of the parade.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:37 pm

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Internationalist Bastard wrote:Yeah I’d consider most cases where your openly walking in a large group walking around with guns would look mighty suspicious


Not openly walking about. Camping out on a vantage point over the route of the parade.

Even more shady
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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:42 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Not openly walking about. Camping out on a vantage point over the route of the parade.

Even more shady

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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:44 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Not openly walking about. Camping out on a vantage point over the route of the parade.

Even more shady


For some reason it doesn't seem dodgy to supporters of the far right though. Maybe they know something we don't?

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:46 pm

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Internationalist Bastard wrote:Even more shady


For some reason it doesn't seem dodgy to supporters of the far right though. Maybe they know something we don't?

Well clearly they were a well regulated militia there to preserve the liberty of the people
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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:49 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
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For some reason it doesn't seem dodgy to supporters of the far right though. Maybe they know something we don't?

Well clearly they were a well regulated militia there to preserve the liberty of the people

By watering the Tree of Liberty with the blood of leftists.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:12 pm

Kaggeceria wrote:
Ifreann wrote:It doesn't need to be illegal, it's suspicious.

Yes, it is. And it was investigated.
Being detained is when the police stop someone briefly to ask them questions. Any more serious restriction on someone's movement than that is an arrest. But they weren't arrested. So we can infer that the police found these men and their cache of weapons, asked them who they are and what they were doing, and then let them go.

Which is detaining someone. They investigated it, questioned them, found the weapons were legal and that there was no evidence that they had agreed to commit.

Then clearly the police are morons. Or giving a free pass to would be terrorists.
I do understand the difference. I just explained it to you. The investigation could not have been any more than officers asking them questions where they were found.

It could have been them being detained, asked questions, and checked to make sure the weapons were legal.

You cannot arrest people for carrying around legal weapons in an open carry state.

You can arrest people for very obviously planning a terrorist attacks in any fucking state. "Open carry state!" isn't some magic shield against getting arrested for some other crime.

I mean, you could. But that smells like a civil rights violation. You need more than that.

Like the fact that they're associated with a group known for getting into riots, the fact that they're camped out on the roof of a parking structure, the fact that they've stockpiled weapons.

Fucking hell, what do you think they were doing up there? Urban camping trip?
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Postby Liriena » Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:34 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Kaggeceria wrote:Yes, it is. And it was investigated.

Which is detaining someone. They investigated it, questioned them, found the weapons were legal and that there was no evidence that they had agreed to commit.

Then clearly the police are morons. Or giving a free pass to would be terrorists.
It could have been them being detained, asked questions, and checked to make sure the weapons were legal.

You cannot arrest people for carrying around legal weapons in an open carry state.

You can arrest people for very obviously planning a terrorist attacks in any fucking state. "Open carry state!" isn't some magic shield against getting arrested for some other crime.

I mean, you could. But that smells like a civil rights violation. You need more than that.

Like the fact that they're associated with a group known for getting into riots, the fact that they're camped out on the roof of a parking structure, the fact that they've stockpiled weapons.

Fucking hell, what do you think they were doing up there? Urban camping trip?

Boy, there sure ain't anything suspicious about Kaggeceria's endless generosity towards a gang of fascist incels led by a guy who loves to scream racial slurs. Nothing suspicious at all, I dare say.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:36 pm

Liriena wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Then clearly the police are morons. Or giving a free pass to would be terrorists.

You can arrest people for very obviously planning a terrorist attacks in any fucking state. "Open carry state!" isn't some magic shield against getting arrested for some other crime.


Like the fact that they're associated with a group known for getting into riots, the fact that they're camped out on the roof of a parking structure, the fact that they've stockpiled weapons.

Fucking hell, what do you think they were doing up there? Urban camping trip?

Boy, there sure ain't anything suspicious about Kaggeceria's endless generosity towards a gang of fascist incels led by a guy who loves to scream racial slurs. Nothing suspicious at all, I dare say.

A bunch of Arab Americans camped out on the same rooftop packing guns would have had the entire surrounding block sprouting police snipers.
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Postby Uxupox » Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:38 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Liriena wrote:Boy, there sure ain't anything suspicious about Kaggeceria's endless generosity towards a gang of fascist incels led by a guy who loves to scream racial slurs. Nothing suspicious at all, I dare say.

A bunch of Arab Americans camped out on the same rooftop packing guns would have had the entire surrounding block sprouting police snipers.


are you a racist against people of Arab descent?
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Postby Liriena » Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:39 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:A bunch of Arab Americans camped out on the same rooftop packing guns would have had the entire surrounding block sprouting police snipers.


are you a racist against people of Arab descent?

If that's the level of bait you're going to resort to, you should consider retiring from the bait business.
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Postby Uxupox » Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:45 pm

Liriena wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
are you a racist against people of Arab descent?

If that's the level of bait you're going to resort to, you should consider retiring from the bait business.


he is essentially baiting the other guy by stating that by using a racist analogy for some reason.
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