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Postby The South Falls » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:09 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Antifa doesn't have beliefs regarding free speech, because antifa isn't an organisation that can release official policy statements or a manifesto.

They don't need to because actions speak louder than words. They've attacked peaceful right-wing protesters at other events.

Petrolheadia wrote:The other side of a coin made of shit.

Agreed.

Antifa didn't kill anyone at this rally, however. I agree they are bad, but they are less bad than white supremacists.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:10 am

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But 'white supremacist' is?

Rise Above is a white supremacist movement right?


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Postby Trumptonium1 » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:10 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:AlHamdulillah, may Allah SWT punish them until they repent or apologize, aameen.


Hang on, is apologising enough to rid oneself of consequences of committed crimes in the Qu'ran?
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:15 am

The South Falls wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:They don't need to because actions speak louder than words. They've attacked peaceful right-wing protesters at other events.


Agreed.

Antifa didn't kill anyone at this rally, however. I agree they are bad, but they are less bad than white supremacists.

I've never claimed antifa killed anyone. I was just proving that they're de facto against free speech themselves.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:17 am

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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Then what is your opinion on who should and shouldn't be arrested?


Well I certainly believe these folks should be, but the idea that all politically potivated violence is wrong is silly. Remember, slaves revolting against their masters, unionists clashing with police, and partisans attacking Nazis were all engaged in politic ally motivated violence.

I should have worded that differently. Violently overthrowing a totalitarian government, and slave revolts are justifiable.
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Postby Caracasus » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:21 am

Telconi wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Antifa doesn't have beliefs regarding free speech, because antifa isn't an organisation that can release official policy statements or a manifesto.


But 'white supremacist' is?


More than antifa. Antifa doesn't have a membership roster or anything really in the way of an ideology uniting its members beyond a desire not to let fascism take hold again. It draws members from all walks of life and across a wide spectrum of beliefs etc. Given that the only unifying common belief is that fascism should be opposed, there is simply no concrete central manifesto.

Given that a major factor the last time fascists snuck their way into power was a general atmosphere of ambivilence and not really giving a fuck, I can totally see their point.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:25 am

Jolthig wrote:Good. The rise of white supremacists on media is dangerous and we've got to find ways to stop it.

We could always try the old Soviet methods
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:26 am

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Jolthig wrote:Good. The rise of white supremacists on media is dangerous and we've got to find ways to stop it.

We could always try the old Soviet methods

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:27 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:We could always try the old Soviet methods

Berlin is nice this time of year.

All the more reason to drive a T-90 through Alexanderplatz
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:29 am

Telconi wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Antifa doesn't have beliefs regarding free speech, because antifa isn't an organisation that can release official policy statements or a manifesto.


But 'white supremacist' is?

No?


LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Antifa doesn't have beliefs regarding free speech, because antifa isn't an organisation that can release official policy statements or a manifesto.

They don't need to because actions speak louder than words. They've attacked peaceful right-wing protesters at other events.

Counter-protest isn't incompatible with belief in free speech. And bonus points for taking the "peaceful right-wing protesters" position in a thread about the arrest of right-wingers who went to protests to get into fights and start riots.

Also
"about 100 anarchists and antifa— “anti-fascist” — members"
No such thing as antifa members.
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Postby The South Falls » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:30 am

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The Huskar Social Union wrote:Berlin is nice this time of year.

All the more reason to drive a T-90 through Alexanderplatz

Would you like gulags with that?
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Postby Petrolheadia » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:31 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Good. The rise of white supremacists on media is dangerous and we've got to find ways to stop it.

We could always try the old Soviet methods

Or old US methods of "give them a penalty that'll teach them".

$7 million - anybody recalls this figure?
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:32 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:Excellent!

Nobody with a shred of morality can oppose this.

This is truly a great moment for democracy, equality, and liberty.

Arresting folk who cause and encourage political violence is key for any functioning Democracy.

Arresting people who cause and encourage political violence is political violence.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:34 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:AlHamdulillah, may Allah SWT punish them until they repent or apologize, aameen.


Hang on, is apologising enough to rid oneself of consequences of committed crimes in the Qu'ran?

Someone likes whataboutism.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:36 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:We could always try the old Soviet methods

Or old US methods of "give them a penalty that'll teach them".

$7 million - anybody recalls this figure?

I’m still in favor of revoking Racial Supremacists rights and citizenship and deporting them to the alaskan wilderness.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:38 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:Or old US methods of "give them a penalty that'll teach them".

$7 million - anybody recalls this figure?

I’m still in favor of revoking Racial Supremacists rights and citizenship and deporting them to the alaskan wilderness.

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Postby Telconi » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:38 am

Caracasus wrote:
Telconi wrote:
But 'white supremacist' is?


More than antifa. Antifa doesn't have a membership roster or anything really in the way of an ideology uniting its members beyond a desire not to let fascism take hold again. It draws members from all walks of life and across a wide spectrum of beliefs etc. Given that the only unifying common belief is that fascism should be opposed, there is simply no concrete central manifesto.

Given that a major factor the last time fascists snuck their way into power was a general atmosphere of ambivilence and not really giving a fuck, I can totally see their point.


Not really, There's no unified list of white supremacists, they come from all sorts of walks of life, and from all over the political spectrum.
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Postby The South Falls » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:41 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Dark Socialism wrote:A win for communism

How pathetic a statement.

Did you take part in the rally?
A genuine question, you're Nazi, so...

Not all Nazis rallied there.
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Dark Socialism wrote:A win for communism

Since when was arresting racists a win for communism?
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:42 am

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Thermodolia wrote:I’m still in favor of revoking Racial Supremacists rights and citizenship and deporting them to the alaskan wilderness.

That's your answer to everything.

It’s a good go to answer
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Postby Kustonia » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:42 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:We could always try the old Soviet methods

Berlin is nice this time of year.


Not come December, The migrants are out raping and killing even more that time of year.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:43 am

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Ifreann wrote:That's your answer to everything.

It’s a good go to answer

Until somebody asks "why are you removing productive members of society with some unliked beliefs?"
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Postby Kustonia » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:43 am

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Dark Socialism wrote:A win for communism

Since when was arresting racists a win for communism?


Communism supports race-mixing and cultural appropriation. Haven't you heard Antifa rhetoric? They hate white people.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:44 am

Kustonia wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Since when was arresting racists a win for communism?


Communism supports race-mixing and cultural appropriation. Haven't you heard Antifa rhetoric? They hate white people.

The only thing communism supports is abolition of socioeconomic classes and private property.
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