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Postby Petrolheadia » Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:55 am

Dahon wrote:Too little, too late.

What should we have done? Lined up everyone from the rally and opened fire?
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Postby Frievolk » Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:55 am

While it's kinda too little and too late (The Charlottesvile fiasco happened what, a year ago? more?), it's still a good thing in my opinion.
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The South Falls wrote:It's at least some justice for Heather Heyer.


Justice would've been the last 25 years not happening. Or maybe we should backtrack to before Saddam invaded Iraq. That far back. This... is futile.

But I mean justice for her death.
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What's good for the goose is not necessarily good for the gander.

Then what is your opinion on who should and shouldn't be arrested?


Well I certainly believe these folks should be, but the idea that all politically potivated violence is wrong is silly. Remember, slaves revolting against their masters, unionists clashing with police, and partisans attacking Nazis were all engaged in politic ally motivated violence.
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Postby Fenrisulfland » Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:55 am

All extremists are dangerous and unpredictable. The more that we can get off the streets the better.

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Postby The South Falls » Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:55 am

Frievolk wrote:While it's kinda too little and too late (The Charlottesvile fiasco happened what, a year ago? more?), it's still a good thing in my opinion.

It also sends a message to white supremacists to quit pulling this shit.
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Frievolk wrote:While it's kinda too little and too late (The Charlottesvile fiasco happened what, a year ago? more?), it's still a good thing in my opinion.

Ever heard of that thing called "court trials"?
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Postby Petrolheadia » Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:57 am

Dahon wrote:
The South Falls wrote:It's at least some justice for Heather Heyer.


Justice would've been the last 25 years not happening. Or maybe we should backtrack to before Saddam invaded Iraq. That far back. This... is futile.

So what do you think went wrong?
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Maybe he isn't a racist and is just really proud of his family???

So proud he organized a rally where someone was murdered. A real low in apologism even for you.


For someone who engages in supposed "mockery" so often, you sure seem to have a hard time recognizing it...
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Fenrisulfland wrote:All extremists are dangerous and unpredictable. The more that we can get off the streets the better.

Extremism only depends on what the mainstream is.
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Postby Dahon » Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:58 am

The South Falls wrote:
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Justice would've been the last 25 years not happening. Or maybe we should backtrack to before Saddam invaded Iraq. That far back. This... is futile.

But I mean justice for her death.


Justice is when you're not forced to march in protest of something that should've kicked the bucket years and years ago, not alive and kicking Heyer into the abyss.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:58 am

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Scomagia wrote:Is misrepresenting Saiwana that much fun, really? :eyebrow:

Poking fun at the people who pretend that Antifa is this terrifying threat to America is fun.

Not to defend white supremacy here, but antifa made it perfectly clear that they don't believe in free speech, so they are a threat.

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Postby Petrolheadia » Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:59 am

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The South Falls wrote:But I mean justice for her death.


Justice is when you're not forced to march in protest of something that should've kicked the bucket years and years ago, not alive and kicking Heyer into the abyss.

And what is it?
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Petrolheadia wrote:
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Justice would've been the last 25 years not happening. Or maybe we should backtrack to before Saddam invaded Iraq. That far back. This... is futile.

So what do you think went wrong?


In a nutshell? World's lone superpower got full of itself.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:00 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Poking fun at the people who pretend that Antifa is this terrifying threat to America is fun.

Not to defend white supremacy here, but antifa made it perfectly clear that they don't believe in free speech, so they are a threat.

Antifa doesn't have beliefs regarding free speech, because antifa isn't an organisation that can release official policy statements or a manifesto.
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Ifreann wrote:Poking fun at the people who pretend that Antifa is this terrifying threat to America is fun.

Not to defend white supremacy here, but antifa made it perfectly clear that they don't believe in free speech, so they are a threat.

The other side of a coin made of shit.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:00 am

Dahon wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:So what do you think went wrong?


In a nutshell? World's lone superpower got full of itself.

In a bit less general terms?
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Postby Dahon » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:03 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
Dahon wrote:Too little, too late.

What should we have done? Lined up everyone from the rally and opened fire?


Donald Trump should not have happened. Obama. Dubya. Clinton. Back to when there was actually hope for the better, not this fear and trembling for democracy, and by extension, for how we treat ourselves.
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Postby Scomagia » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:03 am

The South Falls wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Is misrepresenting Saiwana that much fun, really? :eyebrow:

It was a joke. A joke. I just came to a joking conclusion based on his assertion that Antifa killed someone at that rally.

You could call it that. I call it another NSG circlesnark.
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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Not to defend white supremacy here, but antifa made it perfectly clear that they don't believe in free speech, so they are a threat.

Antifa doesn't have beliefs regarding free speech, because antifa isn't an organisation that can release official policy statements or a manifesto.


But 'white supremacist' is?
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Petrolheadia wrote:
Frievolk wrote:While it's kinda too little and too late (The Charlottesvile fiasco happened what, a year ago? more?), it's still a good thing in my opinion.

Ever heard of that thing called "court trials"?

I better have. I'm studying to be a lawyer :p
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Postby Petrasylvania » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:06 am

Telconi wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Antifa doesn't have beliefs regarding free speech, because antifa isn't an organisation that can release official policy statements or a manifesto.


But 'white supremacist' is?

Rise Above is a white supremacist movement right?
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Postby Petrolheadia » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:06 am

Dahon wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:What should we have done? Lined up everyone from the rally and opened fire?


Donald Trump should not have happened. Obama. Dubya. Clinton. Back to when there was actually hope for the better, not this fear and trembling for democracy, and by extension, for how we treat ourselves.

So basically a small time window between people fearing the USSR, Japan and crime will destroy America and people fearing China, jihadists and fascists will destroy America?
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:07 am

Ifreann wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Not to defend white supremacy here, but antifa made it perfectly clear that they don't believe in free speech, so they are a threat.

Antifa doesn't have beliefs regarding free speech, because antifa isn't an organisation that can release official policy statements or a manifesto.

They don't need to because actions speak louder than words. They've attacked peaceful right-wing protesters at other events.

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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Not to defend white supremacy here, but antifa made it perfectly clear that they don't believe in free speech, so they are a threat.

The other side of a coin made of shit.

Agreed.

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