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Who will be the president of Brazil?

Poll ended at Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:02 am

Fernando Haddad (Worker´s Party/Partido dos Trabalhadores) Left-Wing / Lulism
62
37%
Jair Bolsonaro (Social Liberal Party/Partido Social Liberal) Right-Wing/ Nationalist
84
50%
Blank/Null
21
13%
 
Total votes : 167

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Omega State
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Postby Omega State » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:16 pm

INFO
A violência está crescendo gradualmente no Brasil faltando apenas 2 semanas e 2 dias para o segundo turno.
Violence is growing gradually in Brazil with only 2 weeks and 2 days remaining for the second round.
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Postby Brasilia Brazil » Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:40 pm

I support Right wing candidate Jair Bolsonaro of the Conservative Social Liberal Party, I am not Brazilian.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:55 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Omega State wrote:The elections in Brazil will be tomorrow. I would like to know the general opinion of NS and also of my Brazilian brothers. My vote is in Marina Silva.


I am an American, and I am sympathetic to Silva. I noticed that she her poll numbers have gone down quite a bit lately. Do you have any idea why?

Her third election, she's weak enough not to make a good campaign coverage and her proposals are mostly lukewarm.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:57 pm

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:2. Jair Bolsonaro is blatantly sexist and homophobic

...and so is Ciro Gomes, extremely popular among the youth (the same youth opposed to Bolsonaro for the same reasons). We're electing a president, not choosing a friend.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:07 pm

Also, just like in the US, what matters most is not the election of the president (yet it's still a big fucking deal), rather the composition of the Congress. And when it boils down to this...
Image
tl;dr: We got a hung congress that's effectively shattered among 30 parties, of which none control anything above 11% of the seats.

I tried to arrange coalitions and/or interest groups, and I got something around this:
* ~210 seats pro-Bolsonaro
* ~140 seats pro-Haddad
* ~50 seats leaning towards Bolsonaro
* ~20 seats leaning towards Haddad
* ~100 seats leaning to neither side, our so-called "centrão" (read: flea market where votes towards any proposition are sold)

Simple majority -- the most common requirement for most legislations -- needs 257 seats, so while Bolsonaro does get a headstart, there'll be quite a huge struggle to do anything for the next four years, especially major reforms.
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Postby Ever Victorious Iron Willed Commanders » Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:19 pm

As a big fan of Lula Haddad is definitely the best candidate here. Bolsonaro ain't good.
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Postby Omega State » Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:44 am

Great Minarchistan wrote:Also, just like in the US, what matters most is not the election of the president (yet it's still a big fucking deal), rather the composition of the Congress. And when it boils down to this...
(Image)
tl;dr: We got a hung congress that's effectively shattered among 30 parties, of which none control anything above 11% of the seats.

I tried to arrange coalitions and/or interest groups, and I got something around this:
* ~210 seats pro-Bolsonaro
* ~140 seats pro-Haddad
* ~50 seats leaning towards Bolsonaro
* ~20 seats leaning towards Haddad
* ~100 seats leaning to neither side, our so-called "centrão" (read: flea market where votes towards any proposition are sold)

Simple majority -- the most common requirement for most legislations -- needs 257 seats, so while Bolsonaro does get a headstart, there'll be quite a huge struggle to do anything for the next four years, especially major reforms.


Omega State wrote:BPE 2018(Analyzes)

if Bolsonaro win, he would (probably)have support of 102 congressional seats (+ 52 from his own party PSL) Total: 154 seats
Haddad (probably)he would have support of 80 seats in Congress. (+56 from his own party PT)Total: 136 seats
Em caso de Bolsonaro vencer, ele teria (provavelmente) apoio de 102 cadeiras do congresso. (+52 de seu proprio partido, PSL) Total: 154 cadeiras.
Já Haddad, teria (provavelmente) apoio de 80 cadeiras no congresso. (+56 de seu proprio partido, PT) Total:136 cadeiras



Esses são apenas numeros estimados, considerado a escolha dos filiados dos partidos.
These are just estimated numbers, considered the choice of party affiliates.
Total seats of Congress: 513
Total de cadeiras no Congresso:513



Take a look at this.
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Postby Omega State » Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:57 am

BPE 2018
Economistas criticam ideia de Haddad para propor usar reservas cambiais para produzir energia
Economists criticize Haddad's idea to propose using foreign exchange reserves to produce energy
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Postby Omega State » Sat Oct 13, 2018 3:00 am

BPE 2018
Propaganda de Bolsonaro se focou no apoio do PT a ditadura de Nicolas Madura na Venezuela e a outros países como Cuba. A de Haddad, em promessas de melhorias em educação e ataques em Bolsonaro.

Bolsonaro's propaganda focused on the support of the PT the dictatorship of Nicolas Madura in Venezuela and other countries like Cuba. Haddad's, in promises of improvements in education and attacks in Bolsonaro.
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Postby Omega State » Sat Oct 13, 2018 3:08 am

PERSONAL OPINION
Algumas pesquisas foram divulgadas durante o feriado de ontem aqui no Brasil. Por conta disso, investidores(e eu também) esperamos a abertura do mercado para ver a reação ao resultados das pesquisas.

Some research was released during the holiday here yesterday in Brazil. Because of this, investors (and me too) expect the market opening to see the reaction to the research results.
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Postby Omega State » Sat Oct 13, 2018 3:12 am

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My translations of the Hitler Rants Parodies were accepted. The following videos have been translated: Hitler phones Donald Trump, Hitler plans nothing and Hitler Random Thoughts
Enjoy.

Minhas traduções do Hitler Rants Parodies foram aceitas. Os seguintes videos foram traduzidos: Hitler phones Donald Trump, Hitler plans nothing e Hitler Random Thoughts
Divirtam-se.
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Postby Painisia » Sat Oct 13, 2018 3:14 am

Omega State wrote:INFO
A violência está crescendo gradualmente no Brasil faltando apenas 2 semanas e 2 dias para o segundo turno.
Violence is growing gradually in Brazil with only 2 weeks and 2 days remaining for the second round.


This reminds me of Argentina during the 1970s, when Peronist factions declared war against each other. Very tragic
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Postby Painisia » Sat Oct 13, 2018 3:23 am

I got the New Party (NOVO) in this test, but I am very authoritarian in the ideological scale.


https://brasil.isidewith.com/en/results/3548049381
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Postby Omega State » Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:03 am

Painisia wrote:I got the New Party (NOVO) in this test, but I am very authoritarian in the ideological scale.


https://brasil.isidewith.com/en/results/3548049381

Do not worry, it happens to me too. I am libertarian and always gives Socialism and Liberty Party
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Postby Omega State » Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:05 am

ECONOMY
Less than 2 hours for the markets open.
Menos de 2 horas para os mercados abrirem.
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Postby Omega State » Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:44 am

BPE 2018
Imprensa estrangeira destaca aumento da violência política no Brasil
Foreign press highlights increased political violence in Brazil
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Postby Painisia » Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:54 am

This is extremely tragic. I am starting to worry for Brazil`s future:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-am ... ting-story


I would now prefer Fernando Haddad than that clown
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Postby Omega State » Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:33 am

BPE 2018
Plano de Bolsonaro prevê aumentar verba para ciência
Bolsonaro plan to increase funding for science
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Postby Omega State » Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:34 am

BPE 2018
‘Independente’ no segundo turno, Meirelles quer virar youtuber
'Independent' in the second round, Meirelles(former president candidate) wants to turn youtuber
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Postby Omega State » Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:00 am

BPE 2018
“Bolsonaro foge dos debates porque é mentiroso” diz Haddad
"Bolsonaro escapes from debates because he is a liar" says Haddad
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:06 am

Omega State wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:Also, just like in the US, what matters most is not the election of the president (yet it's still a big fucking deal), rather the composition of the Congress. And when it boils down to this...
(Image)
tl;dr: We got a hung congress that's effectively shattered among 30 parties, of which none control anything above 11% of the seats.

I tried to arrange coalitions and/or interest groups, and I got something around this:
* ~210 seats pro-Bolsonaro
* ~140 seats pro-Haddad
* ~50 seats leaning towards Bolsonaro
* ~20 seats leaning towards Haddad
* ~100 seats leaning to neither side, our so-called "centrão" (read: flea market where votes towards any proposition are sold)

Simple majority -- the most common requirement for most legislations -- needs 257 seats, so while Bolsonaro does get a headstart, there'll be quite a huge struggle to do anything for the next four years, especially major reforms.


Omega State wrote:BPE 2018(Analyzes)

if Bolsonaro win, he would (probably)have support of 102 congressional seats (+ 52 from his own party PSL) Total: 154 seats
Haddad (probably)he would have support of 80 seats in Congress. (+56 from his own party PT)Total: 136 seats
Em caso de Bolsonaro vencer, ele teria (provavelmente) apoio de 102 cadeiras do congresso. (+52 de seu proprio partido, PSL) Total: 154 cadeiras.
Já Haddad, teria (provavelmente) apoio de 80 cadeiras no congresso. (+56 de seu proprio partido, PT) Total:136 cadeiras



Esses são apenas numeros estimados, considerado a escolha dos filiados dos partidos.
These are just estimated numbers, considered the choice of party affiliates.
Total seats of Congress: 513
Total de cadeiras no Congresso:513



Take a look at this.

This is vastly overestimating the size of "centrão".
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:11 am

Painisia wrote:I got the New Party (NOVO) in this test, but I am very authoritarian in the ideological scale.


https://brasil.isidewith.com/en/results/3548049381

>Novo in first place
>PT in second place
hmmm

Regardless, thank you :P I didn't knew that isidewith cared enough about our elections, will do the test for that
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:12 am

Omega State wrote:ECONOMY
Less than 2 hours for the markets open.
Menos de 2 horas para os mercados abrirem.

Today's saturday, the stock market doesn't open on weekends
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Postby Omega State » Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:15 am

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Omega State wrote:ECONOMY
Less than 2 hours for the markets open.
Menos de 2 horas para os mercados abrirem.

Today's saturday, the stock market doesn't open on weekends

Ahhh, it's true. Shit, I'm losing my sense of time.
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Postby Painisia » Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:20 am

https://youtu.be/mIqfgJdEPec

Listening to this while I am watching the Brazilian political drama
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