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Who will be the president of Brazil?

Poll ended at Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:02 am

Fernando Haddad (Worker´s Party/Partido dos Trabalhadores) Left-Wing / Lulism
62
37%
Jair Bolsonaro (Social Liberal Party/Partido Social Liberal) Right-Wing/ Nationalist
84
50%
Blank/Null
21
13%
 
Total votes : 167

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Postby Omega State » Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:32 am

True Alimeria wrote:
Omega State wrote:I would vote in bolsonaro on account of pro-market proposals, but he is conservative in personal freedoms, so.. Nope.


Listen, I mean no disrespect. I just think that you should NEVER think in these terms about politics at all. Politics are always about useless
IDEALS and "za ideale ginu budale" (only idiots die for ideas). Real life issues aren't really addressed
So why does this pro-/anti market/property/values/freedom stuff even matter to you?
The reality is that your OWN government is KILLING your people, for unbelievable reasons. Not only the World Cup 2014,
but also Rio Olympics etc. right?
And srsly I can't believe how such sh't can happen! It's really unbelievable to me!

And Bolsonaro will probably make it even ten times worse for everyone!
Since he's all about Western consumerism and corporate stuff.
Only justice matters, economics, freedom or other ideals really don't.
You can never trust your government, especially in Brazil.
What does anything about a politician's ""values"" matter when the person is evil?!
Voting for a candidate doesn't make you someone who supports his political views when you aren't even thinking in these
terms to begin with. When you understand it's all about power.
The current government is corrupt, that's true, but it's not about "ideals" or "convictions", but about another guy cracking down
on people wanting to live honourable lives.


Only a revolution (anarchist, not communist) saves that country.
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Postby True Alimeria » Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:33 am

Omega State wrote:Only a revolution (anarchist, not communist) saves that country.


Yeah exactly. Doesn't matter what, but they should know that's your country!
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Postby Omega State » Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:35 am

True Alimeria wrote:
Omega State wrote:Only a revolution (anarchist, not communist) saves that country.


Yeah exactly. Doesn't matter what, but they should know that's your country!

They don´t care. We have been in this "torture" since our foundation.
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Postby True Alimeria » Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:40 am

Omega State wrote:
True Alimeria wrote:
Yeah exactly. Doesn't matter what, but they should know that's your country!

They don´t care. We have been in this "torture" since our foundation.


I don't know much about your history. I just really wanted to tell you.
No offence at all! But srsly, your government is f'cked up! Totally! Latin America, wth?
Even to our standards, in the Balkans! :D
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Postby Omega State » Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:43 am

True Alimeria wrote:
Omega State wrote:They don´t care. We have been in this "torture" since our foundation.


I don't know much about your history. I just really wanted to tell you.
No offence at all! But srsly, your government is f'cked up! Totally! Latin America, wth?
Even to our standards, in the Balkans! :D


Yes, all of Latin America. Only Chile is the most "mild" on our continent in the southern part.
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Postby True Alimeria » Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:48 am

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Yes, all of Latin America. Only Chile is the most "mild" on our continent in the southern part.


Really? Chile was once under a US-backed undemocratic tyranny where hundreds of thousands of innocents died.
And Pinochet later peacefully resigned which means the Chilean government isn't any better.
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Postby Omega State » Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:48 am

Omega State wrote:
True Alimeria wrote:
I don't know much about your history. I just really wanted to tell you.
No offence at all! But srsly, your government is f'cked up! Totally! Latin America, wth?
Even to our standards, in the Balkans! :D


Yes, all of Latin America. Only Chile is the most "mild" on our continent in the southern part.


On your part is justified. Baltic countries were in control of the Soviet Union, imagine how much corruption it must have had in it.
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Postby Omega State » Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:50 am

BPE 2018
A facada foi decisiva para Bolsonaro, diz marqueteiro do PSDB.
The stab was decisive for Bolsonaro, says PSDB marketer.
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Postby Andoros » Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:03 am

Sir or Madam OP, I am trying to understand the economic and educational demographics of the Brazilian elections. Could you share some information about how the richer, middle-class and poor mostly vote? Looking at the results of the first round, I see that Bolsonaro overwhelmingly won in the southern part of Brazil, which, if I remember correctly, is doing better compared to the eastern part. Does that mean that wealthier people prefer Bolsonaro? Then again, I also remember reading from a newspaper that really poor people fed up with gang violence support him too. Is it possible to draw any conclusions?

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Postby Omega State » Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:07 am

Andoros wrote:Sir or Madam OP, I am trying to understand the economic and educational demographics of the Brazilian elections. Could you share some information about how the richer, middle-class and poor mostly vote? Looking at the results of the first round, I see that Bolsonaro overwhelmingly won in the southern part of Brazil, which, if I remember correctly, is doing better compared to the eastern part. Does that mean that wealthier people prefer Bolsonaro? Then again, I also remember reading from a newspaper that really poor people fed up with gang violence support him too. Is it possible to draw any conclusions?


It´s sir.

See, the majority of the poor population is located in the northeastern part of the country and a little in the north as well. That's where Haddad is getting more votes. In other regions, the poverty index is lower and Bolsonaro leads. Summing up:
Lower class: Haddad
Middle class: Haddad / Bolsonaro (Most in bolsonaro)
Upper class: Haddad / Bolsonaro (Majority in Bolsonaro)
In relation to violence, this is not only limited to the poor class.
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Postby Andoros » Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:09 am

Omega State wrote:
Omega State wrote:
Yes, all of Latin America. Only Chile is the most "mild" on our continent in the southern part.


On your part is justified. Baltic countries were in control of the Soviet Union, imagine how much corruption it must have had in it.


Also, as an Estonian, I must point out that Balkans and Baltics are not the same thing. Balkans were never a formal part of Soviet Union, while the Baltics were annexed from 1940 to 1991. But you are right about the corruption.

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Postby Omega State » Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:10 am

Andoros wrote:
Omega State wrote:
On your part is justified. Baltic countries were in control of the Soviet Union, imagine how much corruption it must have had in it.


Also, as an Estonian, I must point out that Balkans and Baltics are not the same thing. Balkans were never a formal part of Soviet Union, while the Baltics were annexed from 1940 to 1991. But you are right about the corruption.

Sorry for the mistake. That's because they have similar names.
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Postby True Alimeria » Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:10 am

Andoros wrote:
Omega State wrote:On your part is justified. Baltic countries were in control of the Soviet Union, imagine how much corruption it must have had in it.


Also, as an Estonian, I must point out that Balkans and Baltics are not the same thing. Balkans were never a formal part of Soviet Union, while the Baltics were annexed from 1940 to 1991. But you are right about the corruption.


It's technically all about geopolitics. In this case, it's Russian/US influence.
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Postby True Alimeria » Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:12 am

Omega State wrote:Sorry for the mistake. That's because they have similar names.


The SFRY was part of the non-aligned movement! Tito dealt with the Americans and the Soviets.
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Postby Omega State » Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:15 am

True Alimeria wrote:
Omega State wrote:Sorry for the mistake. That's because they have similar names.


The SFRY was part of the non-aligned movement! Tito dealt with the Americans and the Soviets.

I see.

Correcting now. I also saw that Romania is facing cases of corruption as well. It is true? It´s only in a few countries of Balkans or in all of the countries?
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Postby Andoros » Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:15 am

True Alimeria wrote:
Andoros wrote:
Also, as an Estonian, I must point out that Balkans and Baltics are not the same thing. Balkans were never a formal part of Soviet Union, while the Baltics were annexed from 1940 to 1991. But you are right about the corruption.


It's technically all about geopolitics. In this case, it's Russian/US influence.


Didn't Yugoslavia break away from the Soviet Union in the 1960s? It couldn't have been under Russian influence then and as a communist/socialist country, I don't think they were under US influence either.

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Postby True Alimeria » Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:18 am

Omega State wrote:Correcting now. I also saw that Romania is facing cases of corruption as well. It is true? It´s only in a few countries of Balkans or in all of the countries?


I guess so. I heard it on the news, but I'm not Romanian (and Romania was part of the Warsaw pact)

*And btw, Portuguese sounds sooo similar to Romanian to me just saying ;

Andoros wrote:
Didn't Yugoslavia break away from the Soviet Union in the 1960s? It couldn't have been under Russian influence then and as a communist/socialist country, I don't think they were under US influence either.


Much earlier. In the 40s. TIto told Stalin to btfo after several attempts of him unsuccessfully trying to assassinate Tito. Tito then warned him that he'd only need one spy to send out to kill Stalin ;
Anyway like I said, Yugoslavia wasn't part either of the Eastern block, nor was it part of NATO. It was part of the non-aligned movement.

*Well if you really want to know. Tito's government was secretly US-backed since 1949. So technically it wasn't independent at all.
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Postby Omega State » Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:21 am

True Alimeria wrote:
Omega State wrote:Correcting now. I also saw that Romania is facing cases of corruption as well. It is true? It´s only in a few countries of Balkans or in all of the countries?


I guess so. I heard it on the news, but I'm not Romanian (and Romania was part of the Warsaw pact)

*And btw, Portuguese sounds sooo similar to Romanian to me just saying ;

Just like Italian and Spanish. It is the Latin descent.
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Postby True Alimeria » Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:22 am

Omega State wrote:
True Alimeria wrote:*And btw, Portuguese sounds sooo similar to Romanian to me just saying ;

Just like Italian and Spanish. It is the Latin descent.


Especially Portuguese. That's how it sounds to me.
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Postby Omega State » Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:26 am

True Alimeria wrote:
Omega State wrote:Just like Italian and Spanish. It is the Latin descent.


Especially Portuguese. That's how it sounds to me.

I'm listening to Romania's anthem now. It looks more like the Italian language mixed with Latin.
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Postby True Alimeria » Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:27 am

Omega State wrote:
True Alimeria wrote:
Especially Portuguese. That's how it sounds to me.

I'm listening to Romania's anthem now. It looks more like the Italian language mixed with Latin.


Listen to Nicolae Ceausescu's speeches ^^
I really can't tell the difference between what he's saying and Bolsonaro ahaha
As far as I know btw, Romanian still has, unlike other Romance languages, many preserved original Latin words.
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Postby Omega State » Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:30 am

True Alimeria wrote:
Omega State wrote:I'm listening to Romania's anthem now. It looks more like the Italian language mixed with Latin.


Listen to Nicolae Ceausescu's speeches ^^
I really can't tell the difference between what he's saying and Bolsonaro ahaha
As far as I know btw, Romanian still has, unlike other Romance languages, many preserved original Latin words.

Now it does look like Portuguese xD
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Postby True Alimeria » Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:34 am

Omega State wrote:
True Alimeria wrote:
Listen to Nicolae Ceausescu's speeches ^^
I really can't tell the difference between what he's saying and Bolsonaro ahaha
As far as I know btw, Romanian still has, unlike other Romance languages, many preserved original Latin words.

Now it does look like Portuguese xD


See :D
But the irony is, that apparently Romanian and Portuguese are the most distant Romance languages.
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Postby Omega State » Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:34 am

True Alimeria wrote:
Omega State wrote:Now it does look like Portuguese xD


See :D
But the irony is, that apparently Romanian and Portuguese are the most distant Romance languages.

Yes. The most close is the spanish. Cabron. xD
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Postby True Alimeria » Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:44 am

Omega State wrote:Yes. The most close is the spanish. Cabron. xD


Spanish sounds nothing like Romanian to me tho.

Anway, what does Joe Penna say to that stuff XD
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