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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:29 am

Today I would like to talk about the ethics of the Placeholder Doctrine.

Assume that two parties have a certain level of high commitment in a romantic alliance. Now suppose that one party suddenly schemes to launch the Placeholder Doctrine...

The Placeholder Doctrine (a term I've coined) is a controversial strategy used in the romantic relationship game where one of the two parties has already secretly and privately determined that their romantic ally will 80-90% be abandoned at some point. However, rather than openly declare this to the ally so they can make preparations and everyone can move ahead... the user of the Doctrine takes covert action to use their radar to find a replacement ally while maintaining the existing alliance.

The person using the Placeholder Doctrine does so because they don't want to be without allies at any time (they enjoy the benefits of the alliance; largely how things appear formally, the existing financial arrangements that are beneficial and perhaps the physical entertainment). The other ally thinks they are still in the alliance but really they are being "used" at this point; the other ally is simply treating them as "the best they've got for now."

The user of the Doctrine is "safe" in the sense that in the worst case scenario, they find no one better and they keep their remaining ally and won't end up by themselves. However, they've massively increased their own probability of finding a better ally because they will be making tons of moves behind their previous ally's back to send the feelers out.

During this period, it is usually the case that the dynamics of the formally existing alliance will deteriorate unless the user of the Doctrine is particularly skilled at the art of deception. Since the user of the Doctrine has made a secret determination to switch allies (just a question of When the opportunity arises); if they are especially callous they will sometimes treat the other "ally" with distance, increasing contempt, and a bit of passive aggressiveness while going through the motions of the existing alliance.

Often, the end result is that the user of the Doctrine suddenly ditches their allies, declares their allegiance to a new romantic ally, and the previous ally is completely shocked at the sudden betrayal and left heartbroken. The user of the Doctrine will then tell them, usually somewhat coldly, "Well both of us knew this wasn't going to last (except I decided a long time ago without saying anything and I've made my preparations while you didn't know better and continued to provide me with the fruit of the existing alliance)."

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On the one hand, it sounds unethical when phrased like in the above but on the other hand... relationships are about choices, personal choices. So who's to judge?

Is it ethical? Discuss and explain.

No, it is not acceptable.

This is basically the romantic game equivalent of a war scenario where a bannerman says to himself "I'm going to betray my King because I deserve better... its a question of WHEN, I'll make preparations and send the feelers out to see who will offer me the best deal... in the meantime, I'm going to continue to enjoy the King's protection and he won't know or be able to prepare." Its completely dishonourable and if not unethical, morally repugnant.

If you don't like them and they are under the impression that you're still committed to them for the long term... please have the decency to communicate this beforehand. Otherwise, its a bit of a filthy tactic.
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Postby Alvecia » Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:35 am

TL;DR

Person A dated Person B with the full intention of dumping them should a better offer come along.
Good or bad.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:36 am

Alvecia wrote:TL;DR

Person A dated Person B with the full intention of dumping them should a better offer come along.
Good or bad.


and taking actions to make the dumping more likely by sending covert feelers to third parties while keeping this a complete secret from Person B and still getting the benefits of the existing relationship with Person B
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:37 am

That is a really long-winded way of asking if it's okay to be on the lookout for a new romantic partner when you've decided to end your current relationship but haven't actually done so yet.



Also, you get that romantic relationships aren't alliances, yeah?
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Postby Alvecia » Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:40 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Alvecia wrote:TL;DR

Person A dated Person B with the full intention of dumping them should a better offer come along.
Good or bad.


and taking actions to make the dumping more likely by sending covert feelers to third parties while keeping this a complete secret from Person B and still getting the benefits of the existing relationship with Person B

Aka, actively seeking that better offer

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Postby Alvecia » Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:43 am

To answer the question, I think dating someone no strings attached is perfectly fine if this is something you’ve both agreed on beforehand. That way you don’t even have to be sneaky about it when you eventually find that better offer.
Otherwise it’s just a dick move.

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Postby Collatis » Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:22 am

“Romantic alliance”.

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Postby Valentine Z » Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:25 am

If you think that the relationship is not working for you, you might want to tell your significant other about it instead of cheating, i.e. secretly in another relationship.

Words can hurt, but feeling cheated hurts several times more.

Take it from Valentine. ;)
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:42 am

Alvecia wrote:TL;DR

Person A dated Person B with the full intention of dumping them should a better offer come along.
Good or bad.

Thanks.

You see this sometimes in long term relationships that have gone south, but just have not ended yet.

I will go along with the "the Hoff would not approve" poll choice if there were a poll.
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Postby Aclion » Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:50 am

Nope. It's not ethical to misrepresent your intentions in a relationship. It's basically fraud.
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Postby Heloin » Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:47 am

I enjoy the term Romantic Alliance.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:04 am

Heloin wrote:I enjoy the term Romantic Alliance.
"We shall agree to fuck and I'll defend your house from the Scots."

Since I am a Scot and my BF is a Scot, this would be a very bizarre deal...
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Postby Heloin » Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:08 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Heloin wrote:I enjoy the term Romantic Alliance.
"We shall agree to fuck and I'll defend your house from the Scots."

Since I am a Scot and my BF is a Scot, this would be a very bizarre deal...

*Fine print* "Nationality to defend against dependent on the nationality of fucker and fuckie. Change were applicable."
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:18 am

I genuinely never got the point of dating someone you don’t see yourself marrying
Like if you just wanna boink do that but dating is, to me anyway, the trial run for the marriage
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:19 am

Maintaining a relationship for personal benefit under false pretences when you've already checked out is scummy behaviour, people who do it should feel bad but won't because they're probably not capable. That was an easy one, next question?
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:19 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Heloin wrote:I enjoy the term Romantic Alliance.
"We shall agree to fuck and I'll defend your house from the Scots."

Since I am a Scot and my BF is a Scot, this would be a very bizarre deal...

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:22 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Maintaining a relationship for personal benefit under false pretences when you've already checked out is scummy behaviour, people who do it should feel bad but won't because they're probably not capable. That was an easy one, next question?


I agree with you.

It’s interesting you say next question because in fact I have a ton of them lined up (to be released with gaps in between to avoid getting locked for topic spam).

It’s the next “arc” in my ops. A whole bunch of ethical threads relating to controversial relationship/courting tactics.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:24 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Maintaining a relationship for personal benefit under false pretences when you've already checked out is scummy behaviour, people who do it should feel bad but won't because they're probably not capable. That was an easy one, next question?


I agree with you.

It’s interesting you say next question because in fact I have a ton of them lined up (to be released with gaps in between to avoid getting locked for topic spam).

It’s the next “arc” in my ops. A whole bunch of ethical threads relating to controversial relationship/courting tactics.


I'll wait eagerly. How many of them basically boil down to Game of Thrones-themed Fuck/Marry/Kill?
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:29 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
I agree with you.

It’s interesting you say next question because in fact I have a ton of them lined up (to be released with gaps in between to avoid getting locked for topic spam).

It’s the next “arc” in my ops. A whole bunch of ethical threads relating to controversial relationship/courting tactics.


I'll wait eagerly. How many of them basically boil down to Game of Thrones-themed Fuck/Marry/Kill?


I believe that there are Game of Thrones analogies (good ones) for nearly everything in life

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Postby Dogmeat » Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:30 am

Collatis wrote:“Romantic alliance”.

I play Romantic Horde.
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Postby Dogmeat » Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:31 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Heloin wrote:I enjoy the term Romantic Alliance.
"We shall agree to fuck and I'll defend your house from the Scots."

Since I am a Scot and my BF is a Scot, this would be a very bizarre deal...

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Postby Heloin » Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:34 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
I agree with you.

It’s interesting you say next question because in fact I have a ton of them lined up (to be released with gaps in between to avoid getting locked for topic spam).

It’s the next “arc” in my ops. A whole bunch of ethical threads relating to controversial relationship/courting tactics.


I'll wait eagerly. How many of them basically boil down to Game of Thrones-themed Fuck/Marry/Kill?

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Postby Kannap » Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:07 pm

Look, if I feel the alliance with Britain isn't beneficial anymore because Brexit then you bet imma be on the lookout for a German boyfriend after dumping my British lover so that I can seal a more beneficial alliance with Germany.
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Postby The Batorys » Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:09 pm

Luckily, OP, it will never apply to you. But of course that's not going to stop you from being angry at women for it.
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The New California Republic wrote:
Heloin wrote:I enjoy the term Romantic Alliance.
"We shall agree to fuck and I'll defend your house from the Scots."

Since I am a Scot and my BF is a Scot, this would be a very bizarre deal...


Prepared for the inevitable civil war, I see.
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