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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:24 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:*REDIRECTS THREAD TO OP SUBJECT*

Alright. Back to theocracy. Which ones are the most prevalent in the world?

Saudi Arabia (I'm slightly hesitant about this one), Iran, and the Vatican.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:25 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:*REDIRECTS THREAD TO OP SUBJECT*

Alright. Back to theocracy. Which ones are the most prevalent in the world?

Saudi Arabia (I'm slightly hesitant about this one), Iran, and the Vatican.

Technically you could argue Sweden

After all, their king is chosen by heaven
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:25 pm

BTW if I could I would make a sexual fetish thread
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Postby The South Falls » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:29 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:*REDIRECTS THREAD TO OP SUBJECT*

Alright. Back to theocracy. Which ones are the most prevalent in the world?

Saudi Arabia (I'm slightly hesitant about this one), Iran, and the Vatican.

They are the most prevalent, Saudi Arabia I mean. From pulling strings in the US to oil.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:30 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Saudi Arabia (I'm slightly hesitant about this one), Iran, and the Vatican.

They are the most prevalent, Saudi Arabia I mean. From pulling strings in the US to oil.

I'm just slightly hesitant about defining it as a theocracy. It depends on the definition used.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:33 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
The South Falls wrote:They are the most prevalent, Saudi Arabia I mean. From pulling strings in the US to oil.

I'm just slightly hesitant about defining it as a theocracy. It depends on the definition used.

Saudi Arabia is a sham of a theocracy. They only espouse strict Sharia law because of the Grand Mosque Siege.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:51 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
Is Louisiana truly a theocracy? Been there a couple of times and while I would like to never go there again I generally didn’t anything (discounting the weird alchohilic laws).

Go to Saudi Clittabia

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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:53 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:BTW if I could I would make a sexual fetish thread

It wasn't in relation to that in particular, but I have spoke about my wish for the site to have an adult discussion section of the forums where the PG-13 rule wouldn't apply, but the issue would be how to confirm the age of people for access to it etc. There are several times a week that I have to self-censor what I say on the forums, because it gets close to violating the PG-13 rule, mainly in relation to needing to use certain concepts or references in relation to a debate. More than once I have found that not being able to reference something has effectively shut down the debate, because without explicit reference to what I mean then the person doesn't understand my train of thought.

It'd be useful for discussing theocracy, especially in relation to the stance of many of them maintaining a tight rein on sexual morality etc.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:56 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:BTW if I could I would make a sexual fetish thread

It wasn't in relation to that in particular, but I have spoke about my wish for the site to have an adult discussion section of the forums where the PG-13 rule wouldn't apply, but the issue would be how to confirm the age of people for access to it etc. There are several times a week that I have to self-censor what I say on the forums, because it gets close to violating the PG-13 rule, mainly in relation to needing to use certain concepts or references in relation to a debate. More than once I have found that not being able to reference something has effectively shut down the debate, because without explicit reference to what I mean then the person doesn't understand my train of thought.

It'd be useful for discussing theocracy, especially in relation to the stance of many of them maintaining a tight rein on sexual morality etc.

The only way to actually verify is using credit cards. Which could be tied to the site supporter thing
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:59 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:It wasn't in relation to that in particular, but I have spoke about my wish for the site to have an adult discussion section of the forums where the PG-13 rule wouldn't apply, but the issue would be how to confirm the age of people for access to it etc. There are several times a week that I have to self-censor what I say on the forums, because it gets close to violating the PG-13 rule, mainly in relation to needing to use certain concepts or references in relation to a debate. More than once I have found that not being able to reference something has effectively shut down the debate, because without explicit reference to what I mean then the person doesn't understand my train of thought.

It'd be useful for discussing theocracy, especially in relation to the stance of many of them maintaining a tight rein on sexual morality etc.

The only way to actually verify is using credit cards. Which could be tied to the site supporter thing

The mods could put up a "you have to be 18+ years to enter". I mean, people could just lie, but it might help a little bit.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:07 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Well, my partner is bisexual. She's pretty damn normal.

Two of my friends are lesbian. They're normal people.


I discovered that I was bisexual (albeit my preferences still shift violently and erratically depending on my mood) a year or two ago when I caught myself actually thinking that effeminate guys would make great friends and partners.

Sexuality is bloody weird, it's an almost uncontrollable force.

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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:08 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:The only way to actually verify is using credit cards. Which could be tied to the site supporter thing

The mods could put up a "you have to be 18+ years to enter". I mean, people could just lie, but it might help a little bit.

Have you visited a porn site? That doesn’t do shit
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:09 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Two of my friends are lesbian. They're normal people.


I discovered that I was bisexual (albeit my preferences still shift violently and erratically depending on my mood) a year or two ago when I caught myself actually thinking that effeminate guys would make great friends and partners.

Sexuality is bloody weird, it's an almost uncontrollable force.

I was the guy who said I was straight but only looked at the hot guys in the sears catalog. Ya I deluded myself for years
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:14 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
I discovered that I was bisexual (albeit my preferences still shift violently and erratically depending on my mood) a year or two ago when I caught myself actually thinking that effeminate guys would make great friends and partners.

Sexuality is bloody weird, it's an almost uncontrollable force.

I was the guy who said I was straight but only looked at the hot guys in the sears catalog. Ya I deluded myself for years


The whole process was an odd one, since I initially internally denied it, then attempted to find nonsensical or barely valid excuses to justify it, then finally just went "F*ck it, I like both sexes and I might as well embrace that fact".

That said, didn't come out as bisexual yet, but I feel like it would be largely unnecessary due to my differences between same-sex contacts and different-sex contacts.

Why should God care about where I bring my willy into, though? To me, God is a personification of all that is good in the world, not a madman bigot subject to the amazing ability of humans to create hate anywhere.
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Postby New haven america » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:31 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:BTW if I could I would make a sexual fetish thread

It wasn't in relation to that in particular, but I have spoke about my wish for the site to have an adult discussion section of the forums where the PG-13 rule wouldn't apply, but the issue would be how to confirm the age of people for access to it etc. There are several times a week that I have to self-censor what I say on the forums, because it gets close to violating the PG-13 rule, mainly in relation to needing to use certain concepts or references in relation to a debate. More than once I have found that not being able to reference something has effectively shut down the debate, because without explicit reference to what I mean then the person doesn't understand my train of thought.

It'd be useful for discussing theocracy, especially in relation to the stance of many of them maintaining a tight rein on sexual morality etc.

People have already tried fighting the mods on that before.

The last time it happened they decided to make their own Forum.
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:34 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Saudi Arabia (I'm slightly hesitant about this one), Iran, and the Vatican.

Technically you could argue Sweden

After all, their king is chosen by heaven


Queen now.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:39 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Technically you could argue Sweden

After all, their king is chosen by heaven


Queen now.

What? Did Gustaf die when I wasn’t looking?
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Postby New haven america » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:43 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Queen now.

What? Did Gustaf die when I wasn’t looking?

Sweden changed its succession laws, so now first born children who are female can become queens even if they have male siblings.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:45 pm

New haven america wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:What? Did Gustaf die when I wasn’t looking?

Sweden changed it's succession laws, so now first born children who are female can become queens even if they have male siblings.

They’ve finally caught up with the times then
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Postby Jolthig » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:45 pm

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Geneviev wrote:It's illegal for minors here, so no.

In your OOC factbook, you say you would rather die than be trans? And from your posts you seem to think it to be a "choice". Why not just "choose" not to be trans? Do you even understand what you're trying to argue at this point? Because I sure as fuck don't.

Ok, I get this is an emotional topic for everyone (especially for you) and I'm not sure if this part of the debate is still going on, but c'mon Sah, Gen is only 14 years old. Don't give them a hard time no matter what view they have. They're young and should not be treated like this.

Why am I standing up for Gen? Because I was treated like this at times on the form during my earlier years.

Not trying to start a be personal argument on here, merely trying to tell you and other people to chill out.

I was just as confused on what political view and religion at that age as Gen is and received similar treatment from people in the past.

Kindness, please. (Only doing this because Gen is a young kid)
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:56 pm

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Sahansahiye Iran wrote:In your OOC factbook, you say you would rather die than be trans? And from your posts you seem to think it to be a "choice". Why not just "choose" not to be trans? Do you even understand what you're trying to argue at this point? Because I sure as fuck don't.

Ok, I get this is an emotional topic for everyone (especially for you) and I'm not sure if this part of the debate is still going on, but c'mon Sah, Gen is only 14 years old. Don't give them a hard time no matter what view they have. They're young and should not be treated like this.

Why am I standing up for Gen? Because I was treated like this at times on the form during my earlier years.

Not trying to start a be personal argument on here, merely trying to tell you and other people to chill out.

I was just as confused on what political view and religion at that age as Gen is and received similar treatment from people in the past.

Kindness, please. (Only doing this because Gen is a young kid)

People often forget one another's age online. Ah the perils of talking to people without actually "talking" like the good old days.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:00 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:In your OOC factbook, you say you would rather die than be trans? And from your posts you seem to think it to be a "choice". Why not just "choose" not to be trans? Do you even understand what you're trying to argue at this point? Because I sure as fuck don't.

Ok, I get this is an emotional topic for everyone (especially for you) and I'm not sure if this part of the debate is still going on, but c'mon Sah, Gen is only 14 years old. Don't give them a hard time no matter what view they have. They're young and should not be treated like this.

Why am I standing up for Gen? Because I was treated like this at times on the form during my earlier years.

Not trying to start a be personal argument on here, merely trying to tell you and other people to chill out.

I was just as confused on what political view and religion at that age as Gen is and received similar treatment from people in the past.

Kindness, please. (Only doing this because Gen is a young kid)

Nah. Fuck that noise, dude. If someone is saying I am "wrong" for being gay and advocating that I need to be "cured" then it doesn't fucking matter what age they are. It's stupid shit to say and they should be criticized for such.

"Don't give them a hard time no matter what view they have."

I especially don't like this bit. If he/she were going around spouting Nazi shit, I'd damn sure hope someone would criticize them, too. Age is barely a fucking excuse. If they aren't old enough to defend their opinions and know that shit, then they shouldn't be arguing on this forum.
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Postby Jolthig » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:02 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Ok, I get this is an emotional topic for everyone (especially for you) and I'm not sure if this part of the debate is still going on, but c'mon Sah, Gen is only 14 years old. Don't give them a hard time no matter what view they have. They're young and should not be treated like this.

Why am I standing up for Gen? Because I was treated like this at times on the form during my earlier years.

Not trying to start a be personal argument on here, merely trying to tell you and other people to chill out.

I was just as confused on what political view and religion at that age as Gen is and received similar treatment from people in the past.

Kindness, please. (Only doing this because Gen is a young kid)

Nah. Fuck that noise, dude. If someone is saying I am "wrong" for being gay and advocating that I need to be "cured" then it doesn't fucking matter what age they are. It's stupid shit to say and they should be criticized for such.

Well, I wish you good luck on that because you aren't going to be a good source of help for them. If anything, you'll make their situation worse, unless if they change their mind on their views.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:03 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Nah. Fuck that noise, dude. If someone is saying I am "wrong" for being gay and advocating that I need to be "cured" then it doesn't fucking matter what age they are. It's stupid shit to say and they should be criticized for such.

Well, I wish you good luck on that because you aren't going to be a good source of help for them. If anything, you'll make their situation worse, unless if they change their mind on their views.

I tried to be nice at first months ago with this shit. I've given up with this individual at this point. They don't want seem to want help and it's not my job to provide it.
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Postby Jolthig » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:04 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Ok, I get this is an emotional topic for everyone (especially for you) and I'm not sure if this part of the debate is still going on, but c'mon Sah, Gen is only 14 years old. Don't give them a hard time no matter what view they have. They're young and should not be treated like this.

Why am I standing up for Gen? Because I was treated like this at times on the form during my earlier years.

Not trying to start a be personal argument on here, merely trying to tell you and other people to chill out.

I was just as confused on what political view and religion at that age as Gen is and received similar treatment from people in the past.

Kindness, please. (Only doing this because Gen is a young kid)

People often forget one another's age online. Ah the perils of talking to people without actually "talking" like the good old days.

Someone's gotta defend right? Even when the majority is against them.

Honestly, how is that any different from homophobia? Should we reverse the trend so we can be phobic to anyone who disagrees with anything related to LGBT rights. Nope. I am not with them.
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Grenartia wrote:Then we Marshall Plan it.

Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Lol why

“Und Mirza”

:lol2:

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Isn't that what NSG is for though to a degree?

YOU’RE WRONG.

Allow me to explain using several fallacies, veiled insults, and insinuations that you’re ugly and dumb.

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