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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:38 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
Geneviev wrote:It's illegal for minors here, so no.

In your OOC factbook, you say you would rather die than be trans? And from your posts you seem to think it to be a "choice". Why not just "choose" not to be trans? Do you even understand what you're trying to argue at this point? Because I sure as fuck don't.

I'm actually tempted to ask something completely honestly, and not meaning any offense, but I'm gonna get mod-fucked if I try.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:38 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Geneviev wrote:It's illegal for minors here, so no.

But WHY would you want to undergo this therapy?

Many reasons most of them have to do with internalized hate brought on from years of people saying that such thing is evil and those who are open about such things are also evil and are going to the fires of hell
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Postby Uxupox » Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:38 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:Talking with a “Christian Therapist”. That’s it. Though the chances of it actually doing anything are slim to none and end up hurting more than helping.

But if an adult wants to go to someone who tells them that they have the devil in them then I’m not going to stop em.

If it's dangerous, then I don't want that to happen.


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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:40 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:It’s dangerous but it’s about the same as a pastor telling everyone in his church that they are going to hell and banning that wouldn’t exactly fly.

Though I’d have no problem banning with of em

Well, then that pastor is doing something wrong if he's just single-handedly condemned dozens of folks.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:40 pm

Uxupox wrote:
The South Falls wrote:If it's dangerous, then I don't want that to happen.


Why?

Hmm... out of a sense of concern for a fellow human being(s)?
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Postby Geneviev » Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:46 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
Geneviev wrote:It's illegal for minors here, so no.

In your OOC factbook, you say you would rather die than be trans? And from your posts you seem to think it to be a "choice". Why not just "choose" not to be trans? Do you even understand what you're trying to argue at this point? Because I sure as fuck don't.

It's a choice to accept it. That's the only part that is a choice.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:48 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:In your OOC factbook, you say you would rather die than be trans? And from your posts you seem to think it to be a "choice". Why not just "choose" not to be trans? Do you even understand what you're trying to argue at this point? Because I sure as fuck don't.

It's a choice to accept it. That's the only part that is a choice.

... You do realize you're sounding rather erratic here.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:48 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:In your OOC factbook, you say you would rather die than be trans? And from your posts you seem to think it to be a "choice". Why not just "choose" not to be trans? Do you even understand what you're trying to argue at this point? Because I sure as fuck don't.

It's a choice to accept it. That's the only part that is a choice.

*sips juicebox* Mkay
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:49 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:In your OOC factbook, you say you would rather die than be trans? And from your posts you seem to think it to be a "choice". Why not just "choose" not to be trans? Do you even understand what you're trying to argue at this point? Because I sure as fuck don't.

It's a choice to accept it. That's the only part that is a choice.

I’m so fucking confused
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:49 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:How should LGBT people be 'treated'?

Conversion therapy should work usually.

I can remember a few months ago that you were trying to convince your parents that conversion therapy doesn't work. I assume that you have given up with that? :eyebrow:
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:50 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Geneviev wrote:It's a choice to accept it. That's the only part that is a choice.

I’m so fucking confused

Again, I'm itching to ask this question, but I think I'm gonna get mod-fucked if I do.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:50 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Geneviev wrote:It's a choice to accept it. That's the only part that is a choice.

I’m so fucking confused

Majority of reasonable people reading this shit are.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:50 pm

Look... Geneviev...


Don't do it. Just don't. You have the right to refuse immoral and unethical treatment.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:53 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Geneviev wrote:It's a choice to accept it. That's the only part that is a choice.

... You do realize you're sounding rather erratic here.

Trainwreck in progress, if you ask me.


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Postby Uxupox » Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:53 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
Why?

Hmm... out of a sense of concern for a fellow human being(s)?


People do dangerous shit all the time towards the selves. It is nothing new.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:54 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:... You do realize you're sounding rather erratic here.

Trainwreck in progress, if you ask me.

LORD I WANT TO ASK MY QUESTION SOOOOOOOO BADLY.
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Postby The South Falls » Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:56 pm

Uxupox wrote:
The South Falls wrote:If it's dangerous, then I don't want that to happen.


Why?

BECAUSE TORTURING PEOPLE IS BAD

honestly should I just scream this with a megaphone?
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:56 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:It's the best way, yes. But getting to Heaven? The least you need is tawheed (belief in 1 God) and an atom's weight of good deeds. The most is the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah.

Besides, Cesnica asked why humans should be enacting the Law of Allah SWT, I answered.

So because I believe in Odin and Thor, I'm screwed?

That's up to Allah SWT.
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Hammer Britannia wrote:So because I believe in Odin and Thor, I'm fucked?

Do you do good shit?

I said "and" not "or".
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Hammer Britannia wrote:...

Debatable

Atom's weight. Then... 50/50 chance...?

I don't buy that personally. Ted Bundy worked as a suicide hotline volunteer. Also raped and murdered 100+ women. He did not go to Heaven, if there is one.

You are not Allah SWT so you can't say who goes to Jannah or Jahannam.
Greater Cesnica wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Conversion therapy should work usually.

Oh ffs. It's their bodies. It's their bedroom. Why should anyone care what happens there unless it's rape or some pedo?

Well if there's 4 witnesses to the crime, if they are found guilty, and if they are Muslim, 100 lashes would be inflicted on them.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:57 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
Why?

BECAUSE TORTURING PEOPLE IS BAD

honestly should I just scream this with a megaphone?

*gives a Soundboks 2 and a microphone*

enjoy yourself.
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Postby The South Falls » Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:57 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:... You do realize you're sounding rather erratic here.

Trainwreck in progress, if you ask me.

It's still on the tracks though.
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Postby Uxupox » Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:58 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
Why?

BECAUSE TORTURING PEOPLE IS BAD

honestly should I just scream this with a megaphone?


I’m into torture. Have a nice bdsm session with my girl a couple of nights ago.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:59 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:In your OOC factbook, you say you would rather die than be trans? And from your posts you seem to think it to be a "choice". Why not just "choose" not to be trans? Do you even understand what you're trying to argue at this point? Because I sure as fuck don't.

It's a choice to accept it. That's the only part that is a choice.

So...if it's not a choice, then how the fuck is conversion therapy meant to work? Being trans has been shown to partially have a biological basis, so short of performing extremely unethical brain surgery in the parts of the brain associated with identity, then it is impossible for conversion therapy to work...
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Postby New haven america » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:00 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:Look... Geneviev...


Don't do it. Just don't. You have the right to refuse immoral and unethical treatment.

The problem is is that Gen believes it's moral and ethical.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:00 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Geneviev wrote:It's a choice to accept it. That's the only part that is a choice.

So...if it's not a choice, then how the fuck is conversion therapy meant to work? Being trans has been shown to partially have a biological basis, so short of performing extremely unethical brain surgery in the parts of the brain associated with identity, then it is impossible for conversion therapy to work...

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:00 pm

Uxupox wrote:
The South Falls wrote:BECAUSE TORTURING PEOPLE IS BAD

honestly should I just scream this with a megaphone?


I’m into torture. Have a nice bdsm session with my girl a couple of nights ago.

...

I... I'm...

I don't know what to say, because...

I'm into BDSM too. my gf and I play occasionally.
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