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Postby Dogmeat » Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:02 pm

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:03 pm

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I hate it when the other player chooses the same character as you.

Buddha’s alt skin is so cool though
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:03 pm

Theocracies are just totalitarian trash with a religious veneer.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:02 pm

Theocracy is just a dictatorship with a man with a funny hat at the top instead of a man with a military uniform. Also, they tend to claim authority over your soul, so you can’t escape even in death. Pleasant.
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Postby Proletarian Republic of Americanada » Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:08 pm

Well all I know from the term "theocracy" is that you believe religion should play a role in government. Since you specifically stated you don't believe in the systems of Saudi Arabia and ISIS that narrows it down a little bit. Are you talking about an Iranian style "Islamic republic"?
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:08 pm

Theocracies are the incarnation of hypocrisy.

Religious structures are nothing more than another way to control you. I will believe in God without the arbitrary structure that pretends to uphold it.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:32 am

Proletarian Republic of Americanada wrote:Well all I know from the term "theocracy" is that you believe religion should play a role in government. Since you specifically stated you don't believe in the systems of Saudi Arabia and ISIS that narrows it down a little bit. Are you talking about an Iranian style "Islamic republic"?

They aren't much better, either. I just want an Islamic government along the lines of the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah.
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Postby Painisia » Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:39 am

Nah, theocracies consists of humans. And humans, when they are in power, will use all their granted power to misuse it and serve their selfish interests. I don't think people lived with happiness under the Spanish Inquisition or the oppressive Vatican authorities.

People claiming to be the servants of the Waffle God are not the best option for authority
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Postby Olerand » Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:45 am

A horrific regime that the past and the present have shown to be nothing but a series of basic human rights violations. Supporting it is quite similar to supporting a fascist regime. It's nonsensical.

But humanity is of course nothing if not nonsensical.
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Postby Erdogan in cool sunglasses » Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:47 am

While I am ok with the government aligned in some way to the major religion of the country (especially while the country is monoreligious, it helps to strengthen national identity), I'm out when the religion takes over the government.
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Postby Qartiya » Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:52 am

It is an often totalitarian system of government built on the idea of dogmatic beliefs of a single religion and forcing it on people against their will. What about it is in any way good?

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:50 am

Qartiya wrote:It is an often totalitarian system of government built on the idea of dogmatic beliefs of a single religion and forcing it on people against their will. What about it is in any way good?

There are many types of theocracies.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby A m e n r i a » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:57 am

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Internationalist Bastard wrote:I will never for the life of me learn to read Arabic
I think I see God in there, forbid?

"God curse him"

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You mean the worst? He's crazy enough to dismiss the absolute truth as "superstition" and thinks that God doesn't encourage Islam and science to go hand in hand? I can't imagine the look on his face when the angels interrogated him in his grave.

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Proletarian Republic of Americanada wrote:Well all I know from the term "theocracy" is that you believe religion should play a role in government. Since you specifically stated you don't believe in the systems of Saudi Arabia and ISIS that narrows it down a little bit. Are you talking about an Iranian style "Islamic republic"?

They aren't much better, either. I just want an Islamic government along the lines of the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah.


Same here. I think Hatta would've been an awesome president. Not that I have anything against Soekarno, he's awesome too.
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Postby Olerand » Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:00 am

A m e n r i a wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:"God curse him"

Ataturk, father of the Turkish nation, greatest leader of the 20th century, a hero without peer.


You mean the worst? He's crazy enough to dismiss the absolute truth as "superstition" and thinks that God doesn't encourage Islam and science to go hand in hand? I can't imagine the look on his face when the angels interrogated him in his grave.

Well, his face is in a grave, decomposing. As we are all guaranteed to be.

Turkey exists because of Atatürk however, which is to his credit, but seeing what Turkey has become now, I doubt he would say his work was worth this.
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Postby A m e n r i a » Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:04 am

Olerand wrote:
A m e n r i a wrote:
You mean the worst? He's crazy enough to dismiss the absolute truth as "superstition" and thinks that God doesn't encourage Islam and science to go hand in hand? I can't imagine the look on his face when the angels interrogated him in his grave.

Well, his face is in a grave, decomposing. As we are all guaranteed to be.

Turkey exists because of Atatürk however, which is to his credit, but seeing what Turkey has become now, I doubt he would say his work was worth this.


I mean on the first day, when they first came to him. As for Turkey today, it's good that the work Atatürk did to corrupt the nation and strip it off its righteousness is wearing off. We need more leaders like Erdogan around the world (if the next Chinese president is like him I'd probably jump around like a lunatic in joy lol).
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:07 am

I have no love for theocracies, but I’m not exactly opposed to it, only if their size extends to the size of Vatican City. Anything bigger I would question their piety. If theocracies are as humble as they claim they are, they should be happy with just a city.
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Postby Olerand » Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:19 am

A m e n r i a wrote:
Olerand wrote:Well, his face is in a grave, decomposing. As we are all guaranteed to be.

Turkey exists because of Atatürk however, which is to his credit, but seeing what Turkey has become now, I doubt he would say his work was worth this.


I mean on the first day, when they first came to him. As for Turkey today, it's good that the work Atatürk did to corrupt the nation and strip it off its righteousness is wearing off. We need more leaders like Erdogan around the world (if the next Chinese president is like him I'd probably jump around like a lunatic in joy lol).

On that day and today, his face is decomposing in his grave.

Seeing where Turkey is today, with its economy in shambles, its reputation not worth paper, I would think Ataturk would say his efforts weren't worth it.

To think, a country went from Ataturk to Erdogan. How sad. Truly, life is a comical tragedy.

Also, I don't know how the next Chinese president might be an Islamist. All Chinese presidents are already authoritarian, to a degree of professionalism that exposes Erdogan as the child he really is.
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Postby Distruzio » Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:47 am

Depends on the nature of the theocracy, I suppose.

I lean towards a more caesaropapist model. Theodemocracy has its merits.

The current Norwegian and British models of absentminded theocracy are utter disasters.
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Postby Right wing humour squad » Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:58 am

Theocracy and in particular Islamic theocracies are a valid reason for foreign intervention and regime change. No region has only one religion so no region should be governed by the rules of any one religion.
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Postby The Islamic Republic of Muslims » Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:00 am

Right wing humour squad wrote:Theocracy and in particular Islamic theocracies are a valid reason for foreign intervention and regime change. No region has only one religion so no region should be governed by the rules of any one religion.
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Postby Len Hyet » Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:04 am

The Islamic Republic of Muslims wrote:
Right wing humour squad wrote:Theocracy and in particular Islamic theocracies are a valid reason for foreign intervention and regime change. No region has only one religion so no region should be governed by the rules of any one religion.
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Postby Len Hyet » Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:08 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I will never for the life of me learn to read Arabic
I think I see God in there, forbid?

"God curse him"

Ataturk, father of the Turkish nation, greatest leader of the 20th century, a hero without peer.

I dunno if I agree with the absolutes, but undoubtedly a great man.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:16 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:I have no love for theocracies, but I’m not exactly opposed to it, only if their size extends to the size of Vatican City. Anything bigger I would question their piety. If theocracies are as humble as they claim they are, they should be happy with just a city.

I could get behind say, Mecca being a theocracy that anyone is free to leave. Make it a wholly voluntary experience
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Postby Nova Colombian Confederation » Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:58 am

Theocracies have no place in the civlized world, AKA almost everywhere. Even the Vactian has to follow a secular legislation. Every individual it's and must be equal to the eyes of justice.

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