Theocracy Discussion Thread

[Internationalist Bastard]

Because monks are supposed to be disinterested and detached from the world, and giving them a load of political power is asking for corruption and abuse, which isn't uncommon in some South Asian countries such as Thailand.

I do recall during the Fujiwara ascendancy some empires would retire to monasteries and practically run them like banks. Nearly checking the power of that influential family.

Yup. Just like all religions, you give us too much power we’ll abuse the hell out of it

[Kubumba Tribe]

I do recall during the Fujiwara ascendancy some empires would retire to monasteries and practically run them like banks. Nearly checking the power of that influential family.

Yup. Just like all religions, you give us too much power we’ll abuse the hell out of it

That's not the religion's fault usually.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Yup. Just like all religions, you give us too much power we’ll abuse the hell out of it

That's not the religion's fault usually.

No, it’s the fact that your giving a group of people incredible power than backing up the right to that power through invisible threads of spirituality

[Hurdergaryp]

That's not the religion's fault usually.

No, it’s the fact that your giving a group of people incredible power than backing up the right to that power through invisible threads of spirituality

It's magical, so to speak.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Why in God's name would anyone want to force monks to have political power?

[Internationalist Bastard]

Why in God's name would anyone want to force monks to have political power?

Ask Amin why he wants us all to be under a theocracy

[Kubumba Tribe]

Why in God's name would anyone want to force monks to have political power?

Why would monks have to have political power? They focus on spirituality.

[Kubumba Tribe]

That's not the religion's fault usually.

No, it’s the fact that your giving a group of people incredible power than backing up the right to that power through invisible threads of spirituality

Depends on the religion.

[Reikoku]

Why in God's name would anyone want to force monks to have political power?

Ask Amin why he wants us all to be under a theocracy

It is confusing to me why he wants to convince us all that theocracy wouldn't be so bad, and that we should all want our own little theocracies with their own courts of law. He seems to be projecting Islam on other religions.

[Internationalist Bastard]

No, it’s the fact that your giving a group of people incredible power than backing up the right to that power through invisible threads of spirituality

Depends on the religion.

And I’ve expressed before the only proper way to practice Tengri Buddhism is to obey secular laws

[Reikoku]

Depends on the religion.

And I’ve expressed before the only proper way to practice Tengri Buddhism is to obey secular laws

"Tengri Buddhism."

That sounds... contradictory.

Obviously the solution is to burn you at the stake for believing in a Creator God.

[Internationalist Bastard]

And I’ve expressed before the only proper way to practice Tengri Buddhism is to obey secular laws

"Tengri Buddhism."

That sounds... contradictory.

Obviously the solution is to burn you at the stake for believing in a Creator God.

Nae, treat me properly
Wrap me in a rug and trample me with horses

[Vsyerossiya]

Depends on what is meant by theocracy.

Here is my preferred definition, based on Christianity. Theocracy is rule by religion, which can imply the Patriarch/pope ruling over saecular authorities, or not having any saecular authorities, and instead having the Church (Patriarch/pope) and his clergy constitute the sole authority of a state.
As such, I strongly disagree with theocracy.

I believe in the Byzantine symphonia, where Church and State are separate, but equal corresponding entities, with the Church being a society’s sole spiritual authority and the State being a society’s sole saecular authority.

If people consider symphonia to be a form of theocracy, then yes, I agree with theocracy. But if applying the first definition, then no.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Depends on the religion.

And I’ve expressed before the only proper way to practice Tengri Buddhism is to obey secular laws

I wasn't talking about Tengri Buddhism in particular.

Ask Amin why he wants us all to be under a theocracy

It is confusing to me why he wants to convince us all that theocracy wouldn't be so bad, and that we should all want our own little theocracies with their own courts of law. He seems to be projecting Islam on other religions.

If I wanted Shari'ah to be enforced on everyone, then I would be projecting Al-Islam on other religious groups, not religions.

Depends on what is meant by theocracy.

Here is my preferred definition, based on Christianity. Theocracy is rule by religion, which can imply the Patriarch/pope ruling over saecular authorities, or not having any saecular authorities, and instead having the Church (Patriarch/pope) and his clergy constitute the sole authority of a state.
As such, I strongly disagree with theocracy.

I believe in the Byzantine symphonia, where Church and State are separate, but equal corresponding entities, with the Church being a society’s sole spiritual authority and the State being a society’s sole saecular authority.

If people consider symphonia to be a form of theocracy, then yes, I agree with theocracy. But if applying the first definition, then no.

Can you elaborate on the symphonia part please?

[Crysuko]

I oppose theocracy on the grounds that I and many others would face persecution for being an athiest. just look at history, and how well heathens and heretics were treated in theocracies...

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I oppose theocracy on the grounds that I and many others would face persecution for being an athiest. just look at history, and how well heathens and heretics were treated in theocracies...

Depends on the type of theocracy

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I oppose theocracy on the grounds that I and many others would face persecution for being an athiest. just look at history, and how well heathens and heretics were treated in theocracies...

Depends on the type of theocracy

What type of theocracy doesn't persecute non-believers?

[Crysuko]

I oppose theocracy on the grounds that I and many others would face persecution for being an athiest. just look at history, and how well heathens and heretics were treated in theocracies...

Depends on the type of theocracy

Catholic? Protestant? Sunni? Shia? Take your pick, I would have been burned or worse in any one of them.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Depends on the type of theocracy

Catholic? Protestant? Sunni? Shia? Take your pick, I would have been burned or worse in any one of them.

Idk about the Christian ones, but you actually wouldn't be persecuted in an Islamic theocracy. Al-Islam supports freedom of religion.

Also, there's this theocracy I made up before I became an Islamist: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=el- ... /id=677140

[Kowani]

Catholic? Protestant? Sunni? Shia? Take your pick, I would have been burned or worse in any one of them.

Idk about the Christian ones, but you actually wouldn't be persecuted in an Islamic theocracy. Al-Islam supports freedom of religion.

Also, there's this theocracy I made up before I became an Islamist: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=el- ... /id=677140

Do we have to have the discussion about apostasy again?
Or all the Muslim countries who punish atheism with death?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Idk about the Christian ones, but you actually wouldn't be persecuted in an Islamic theocracy. Al-Islam supports freedom of religion.

Also, there's this theocracy I made up before I became an Islamist: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=el- ... /id=677140

Do we have to have the discussion about apostasy again?

What about it?

Or all the Muslim countries who punish atheism with death?

We can talk about that too, but that'd be a different topic from the topic I'm talking about. It'd also be a pretty short discussion.

[Hammer Britannia]

Pagan Theocracies best Theocracies

Change my mind

[Len Hyet]

Idk about the Christian ones, but you actually wouldn't be persecuted in an Islamic theocracy. Al-Islam supports freedom of religion.

Also, there's this theocracy I made up before I became an Islamist: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=el- ... /id=677140

Do we have to have the discussion about apostasy again?
Or all the Muslim countries who punish atheism with death?

El-Amin takes the communist approach to bad examples of their chosen governance system.

"It's not really communism/socialism an Islamic Theocracy because they do things I disagree with even though they call themselves communist/socialist an Islamic Theocracy and by most people's understanding it is communism/socialism an Islamic Theocracy."

[Kowani]

Do we have to have the discussion about apostasy again?

What about it?

Or all the Muslim countries who punish atheism with death?

We can talk about that too, but that'd be a different topic from the topic I'm talking about. It'd also be a pretty short discussion.

You literally just said that an Islamic theocracy wouldn't persecute nonbelievers. Without getting into terrorists, I brought up examples of Islamic Theocracies that do persecute non-Muslims.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Do we have to have the discussion about apostasy again?
Or all the Muslim countries who punish atheism with death?

El-Amin takes the communist approach to bad examples of their chosen governance system.

"It's not really communism/socialism an Islamic Theocracy because they do things I disagree with even though they call themselves communist/socialist an Islamic Theocracy and by most people's understanding it is communism/socialism an Islamic Theocracy."

Calling yourself something doesn't make you that thing. And I don't call them un-Islamic theocracies just because I disagree with them.