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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:00 pm

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The Batorys wrote:Why shouldn't I?

Also, the military arm of the sect may be no more, but the sect itself never stopped existing.
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Most people won't remember it, and it gets irritating, especially if you're commenting on points that have already been addressed.

Hashashin was a slur used to describe the fidai followers of Hassan-e Sabbah though, because people believed they consumed hash (or possibly it has to do with how Hassan-e referred to them, or even his name, no one is quite sure it seems) not the sect as a whole, unless, again, I missed something.

The Hashashin (you are correct that it is a slur, though) *were* the sect as a whole. The Hashashin were born from the followers of Nizar who escaped to Alamut under Hassan al-Sabbah and Nizar's son, Ali al-Hadi.
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Postby Saiwania » Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:05 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:This is not why theocrats want a theocracy. And I'm not allying with genocide supporting, Jew-hating racists. They can eff off.


Adolf Hitler and Nazism is relatively popular in the Muslim world because most Arabs (for the most part) hate Jews because of Israel and Zionism. People throughout the Middle East tend to hate Jews just as much, if not more so than the Nazis did. A ton of Arabic countries expelled all their Jews after Israel won their independence. They were wroth about the outcome of the 1948 war and even more so about the 1967 one.
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Postby Olerand » Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:08 pm

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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:This is not why theocrats want a theocracy. And I'm not allying with genocide supporting, Jew-hating racists. They can eff off.

Do non-Muslims and Muslims have equal rights in your theocracy? If they do... Then I can support it. But I don't believe people have equal rights in any form of theocracy.

Why would one people live under a State with a State religion different than their own? Even if they were subject to their own laws, why would they continue to live there? The State is not yours, your laws make you a different category of citizen.

You could just... not live there.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:25 pm

Saiwania wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:This is not why theocrats want a theocracy. And I'm not allying with genocide supporting, Jew-hating racists. They can eff off.


Adolf Hitler and Nazism is relatively popular in the Muslim world because most Arabs (for the most part) hate Jews because of Israel and Zionism. People throughout the Middle East tend to hate Jews just as much, if not more so than the Nazis did. A ton of Arabic countries expelled all their Jews after Israel won their independence. They were wroth about the outcome of the 1948 war and even more so about the 1967 one.

None of this is a positive, stop thinking I'll agree to atrocities. And Arabs don't hate Jews, Stop generalizing.
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This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:33 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
Adolf Hitler and Nazism is relatively popular in the Muslim world because most Arabs (for the most part) hate Jews because of Israel and Zionism. People throughout the Middle East tend to hate Jews just as much, if not more so than the Nazis did. A ton of Arabic countries expelled all their Jews after Israel won their independence. They were wroth about the outcome of the 1948 war and even more so about the 1967 one.

None of this is a positive, stop thinking I'll agree to atrocities. And Arabs don't hate Jews, Stop generalizing.

Tbf, they said most Arabs. Not all. Which is probably true, tbh.
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Postby Olerand » Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:34 pm

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Kubumba Tribe wrote:None of this is a positive, stop thinking I'll agree to atrocities. And Arabs don't hate Jews, Stop generalizing.

Tbf, they said most Arabs. Not all. Which is probably true, tbh.

Antisemitism is very prevalent in the Arab world. As honestly is racism.
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Postby Luminesa » Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:10 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
Adolf Hitler and Nazism is relatively popular in the Muslim world because most Arabs (for the most part) hate Jews because of Israel and Zionism. People throughout the Middle East tend to hate Jews just as much, if not more so than the Nazis did. A ton of Arabic countries expelled all their Jews after Israel won their independence. They were wroth about the outcome of the 1948 war and even more so about the 1967 one.

None of this is a positive, stop thinking I'll agree to atrocities. And Arabs don't hate Jews, Stop generalizing.

I mean, we could show you stats, but I already know you’ll ignore stats. Why do you come to debate and then you don’t actually debate?
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sat Oct 13, 2018 6:57 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:None of this is a positive, stop thinking I'll agree to atrocities. And Arabs don't hate Jews, Stop generalizing.

I mean, we could show you stats, but I already know you’ll ignore stats.

:?:
And that doesn't refute my point.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby The Batorys » Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:36 pm

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The Batorys wrote:There are literally dozens of sects of Islam.

I know.
The Batorys wrote:What if people disagree about their authenticity?

That's why you have investigations the find out their authenticity.
The Batorys wrote:Surely under this system you should get a Tengrist court?

But that also begs the question, what if your religion is so small that there aren't enough jurists of it to staff the courts?

That's a good question. I guess you'd have to follow secular law until the religion gains enough adherents.
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I don't have a god either, so you're still wrong.

Why are you advocating a theocracy if you're an atheist?

Also period sex is fun.
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Postby Kaggeceria » Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:39 pm

The Batorys wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I know.

That's why you have investigations the find out their authenticity.

That's a good question. I guess you'd have to follow secular law until the religion gains enough adherents.

Yes.

I don't have a god either, so you're still wrong.

Why are you advocating a theocracy if you're an atheist?

Also period sex is fun.

He's not and that's disgusting.
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Postby The South Falls » Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:41 pm

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The Batorys wrote:Why are you advocating a theocracy if you're an atheist?

Also period sex is fun.

He's not and that's disgusting.

That depends on his thoughts.
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Postby The Batorys » Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:44 pm

Kaggeceria wrote:
The Batorys wrote:Why are you advocating a theocracy if you're an atheist?

Also period sex is fun.

He's not and that's disgusting.

He said he has no god. That's an atheist.

Don't knock it 'til you try it.
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Postby New haven america » Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:46 pm

Kaggeceria wrote:
The Batorys wrote:Why are you advocating a theocracy if you're an atheist?

Also period sex is fun.

He's not and that's disgusting.

Period sex can actually help with cramps and other common problems with periods.
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New haven america wrote:
Kaggeceria wrote:He's not and that's disgusting.

Period sex can actually help with cramps and other common problems with periods.

Indeed.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:09 pm

The Batorys wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I know.

That's why you have investigations the find out their authenticity.

That's a good question. I guess you'd have to follow secular law until the religion gains enough adherents.

Yes.

I don't have a god either, so you're still wrong.

Why are you advocating a theocracy if you're an atheist?

I'm not, I'm Muslim.
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Kaggeceria wrote:He's not and that's disgusting.

He said he has no god

Correct. No god belongs to me, I belong to God SWT.
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Postby Kowani » Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:33 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The Batorys wrote:Why are you advocating a theocracy if you're an atheist?

I'm not, I'm Muslim.
The Batorys wrote:He said he has no god

Correct. No god belongs to me, I belong to God SWT.

Was this level of pedantry actually needed? Heck, the only people I've seen insist on such precise language have been gun rights supporters. Side note, he is your god, not as in he belongs to you, but rather he is of your belief, something that does belong to you. So despite your attempt at semantic bullshitery, "your god" refers to the god you believe in and is a rather standardized part of the English language.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:41 am

Kowani wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I'm not, I'm Muslim.

Correct. No god belongs to me, I belong to God SWT.

Was this level of pedantry actually needed? Heck, the only people I've seen insist on such precise language have been gun rights supporters. Side note, he is your god, not as in he belongs to you, but rather he is of your belief, something that does belong to you. So despite your attempt at semantic bullshitery, "your god" refers to the god you believe in and is a rather standardized part of the English language.

Amin actually has useless pedantry down to a fucking art form, dude. I'm actually impressed by it sometimes. The man could split god damn frog hairs.
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Postby The Batorys » Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:30 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The Batorys wrote:Why are you advocating a theocracy if you're an atheist?

I'm not, I'm Muslim.
The Batorys wrote:He said he has no god

Correct. No god belongs to me, I belong to God SWT.

SWT?

You're being pedantic.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:13 am

The Batorys wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I'm not, I'm Muslim.

Correct. No god belongs to me, I belong to God SWT.

SWT?

You're being pedantic.

It means "Subhanahu wa-tala" (May he be praised and exalted). It's an honorific.
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Postby Publica » Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:58 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
Publica wrote:
Most people won't remember it, and it gets irritating, especially if you're commenting on points that have already been addressed.

Hashashin was a slur used to describe the fidai followers of Hassan-e Sabbah though, because people believed they consumed hash (or possibly it has to do with how Hassan-e referred to them, or even his name, no one is quite sure it seems) not the sect as a whole, unless, again, I missed something.

The Hashashin (you are correct that it is a slur, though) *were* the sect as a whole. The Hashashin were born from the followers of Nizar who escaped to Alamut under Hassan al-Sabbah and Nizar's son, Ali al-Hadi.


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Postby Luminesa » Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:36 pm

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Kaggeceria wrote:He's not and that's disgusting.

That depends on his thoughts.

Not sure what period sex has to do with a theocracy...
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:54 pm

Kaggeceria wrote:
The Batorys wrote:Why are you advocating a theocracy if you're an atheist?

Also period sex is fun.

He's not and that's disgusting.

Depends on your definition of fun. I wouldn't personally engage in it, but I know people who would.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:00 pm

New haven america wrote:
Kaggeceria wrote:He's not and that's disgusting.

Period sex can actually help with cramps and other common problems with periods.


Period sex doesn't exactly sound appealing, but then again, it probably just feels like a nose bleed, except the blood ends up elsewhere.

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Postby Jolthig » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:07 pm

Theocracy is the topic, people. :p
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