Theocracy Discussion Thread

[Internationalist Bastard]

Yes as we know the Middle Ages were famous for the excellent conditions of the poor and an utter lack of war

Yes, but you need to take your mind outside of the middle ages. Not necesarily middle age catholicism, something better.

Ah so a modern Catholic Church that unites a bunch of catholic kingdoms
Wait that’s the same thing

[Elenir]

Yes, but you need to take your mind outside of the middle ages. Not necesarily middle age catholicism, something better.

Ah so a modern Catholic Church that unites a bunch of catholic kingdoms
Wait that’s the same thing

Well, that's ignoring 1, that the catholic church right now is the same as it was during the middle ages, and 2, that the supposed union would be under the catholic church.

No, you need another branch of christianism, like evangelism for example.

And a final thing, you mentioned before that the catholic church in the past was violence and all, but what about the times they defended the rights of those who were being persecuted?

[Western Vale Confederacy]

As a relatively radical secularist, I'd argue that completely neutering the Catholic Church's structure by transforming it into a purely symbolic organization would be enough.

However, we must safeguard the historical aspect of religion, so no bulldozing the Vatican.

See it should go the other way. The Church has become too open, too blaise, too normal. It needs to become aloof and mysterious again.

I do not trust organized religion, for it will ALWAYS grow corrupt and stray from the true values of God.

A Church with no political power is a Church kept in check.

[Elenir]

See it should go the other way. The Church has become too open, too blaise, too normal. It needs to become aloof and mysterious again.

I do not trust organized religion, for it will ALWAYS grow corrupt and stray from the true values of God.

A Church with no political power is a Church kept in check.

Well, the church will always have power, not only political, but cultural power.

[Tarsonis]

See it should go the other way. The Church has become too open, too blaise, too normal. It needs to become aloof and mysterious again.

I do not trust organized religion, for it will ALWAYS grow corrupt and stray from the true values of God.

A Church with no political power is a Church kept in check.

A Church with no political power is not a church at all.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

I do not trust organized religion, for it will ALWAYS grow corrupt and stray from the true values of God.

A Church with no political power is a Church kept in check.

A Church with no political power is not a church at all.

A Church with political power is practically a second government, with taxes, laws, and leaders.

Religion should not involve itself in earthly politics.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Ah so a modern Catholic Church that unites a bunch of catholic kingdoms
Wait that’s the same thing

Well, that's ignoring 1, that the catholic church right now is the same as it was during the middle ages, and 2, that the supposed union would be under the catholic church.

No, you need another branch of christianism, like evangelism for example.

And a final thing, you mentioned before that the catholic church in the past was violence and all, but what about the times they defended the rights of those who were being persecuted?

Irrelevant
You used as a model the Middle Ages with Christian Kingdoms united with the church. It was a system that was famously corrupt and violent.
Either provide a new model or argue why the model works

[Internationalist Bastard]

I do not trust organized religion, for it will ALWAYS grow corrupt and stray from the true values of God.

A Church with no political power is a Church kept in check.

A Church with no political power is not a church at all.

Then you don’t get a church

[Tarsonis]

A Church with no political power is not a church at all.

A Church with political power is practically a second government, with taxes, laws, and leaders.

Religion should not involve itself in earthly politics.

By nature, the church wields political power. Even if it’s not actively engaged in the political minutiae. It’s an assembly of people, around a common ideal.

[Tarsonis]

A Church with no political power is not a church at all.

Then you don’t get a church

Too late I already licked it.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Then you don’t get a church

Too late I already licked it.

Hey, that’s a time out

[Elenir]

A Church with no political power is not a church at all.

A Church with political power is practically a second government, with taxes, laws, and leaders.

Religion should not involve itself in earthly politics.

I mean, it should involve itself in earthly politics, after all, religion can teach things such as morality and the likes.

[Kubumba Tribe]

where does it say she cant? what is the punishment in Islamic law then, Alex?

According to Amin it’s a law. If so then a woman can do nothing about spousal rape

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[Kubumba Tribe]

Tarsonis and Elenir, What would your theocracy look like?

[Internationalist Bastard]

Tarsonis and Elenir, What would your theocracy look like?

Elenirs last example was a “Christian federation of kingdoms”

[Tarsonis]

Tarsonis and Elenir, What would your theocracy look like?

Catholic for starters.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Tarsonis and Elenir, What would your theocracy look like?

Catholic for starters.

Interesting. Wanna elaborate?

[Tarsonis]

Catholic for starters.

Interesting. Wanna elaborate?

Not particularly.

[Elenir]

Tarsonis and Elenir, What would your theocracy look like?

basically, a theocracy in its most basic form is a government ruled by god. In other words, the government is based around the teachings of a certain book, be it the quran, bible or whatever.

[Kowani]

Ah so a modern Catholic Church that unites a bunch of catholic kingdoms
Wait that’s the same thing

Well, that's ignoring 1, that the catholic church right now is the same as it was during the middle ages, and 2, that the supposed union would be under the catholic church.

No, you need another branch of christianism, like evangelism for example.

And a final thing, you mentioned before that the catholic church in the past was violence and all, but what about the times they defended the rights of those who were being persecuted?

Besides Christians? Who did they protect? And even among Christians, I didn’t see many middle age bishops complaining about treatment of Protestants by Catholics or vice-versa.

[Elenir]

Well, that's ignoring 1, that the catholic church right now is the same as it was during the middle ages, and 2, that the supposed union would be under the catholic church.

No, you need another branch of christianism, like evangelism for example.

And a final thing, you mentioned before that the catholic church in the past was violence and all, but what about the times they defended the rights of those who were being persecuted?

Besides Christians? Who did they protect? And even among Christians, I didn’t see many middle age bishops complaining about treatment of Protestants by Catholics or vice-versa.

Native americans

[Internationalist Bastard]

Besides Christians? Who did they protect? And even among Christians, I didn’t see many middle age bishops complaining about treatment of Protestants by Catholics or vice-versa.

Native americans

Need a big pot of sauce on that

[Loben]

Native americans

Need a big pot of sauce on that

mainly because it was Protestants wiping them out

[Kowani]

Besides Christians? Who did they protect? And even among Christians, I didn’t see many middle age bishops complaining about treatment of Protestants by Catholics or vice-versa.

Native americans

Yes, Enlightened De Las Casas. I mean, Sepúlveda was a thing, and De Las Casas advocated enslavement of Africans instead of the encomienda system, so all he really did was shift the burden.

Nice try though.

[Pope Joan]

See it should go the other way. The Church has become too open, too blaise, too normal. It needs to become aloof and mysterious again.

I do not trust organized religion, for it will ALWAYS grow corrupt and stray from the true values of God.

A Church with no political power is a Church kept in check.

Yes, and this is true not just of Christianity.

I think the Mahayana were hopelessly compromised by collaborating with the Chinese political establishment.

An excellent study of the church/world tension was written by Richard H, Niebuhr.