Theocracy Discussion Thread

[El-Amin Caliphate]

she can defend herself as self-defence is a right in Islam.

But she can’t refuse

If she's being raped she has the right to self defense.

[Kaggeceria]

But she can't say no... What is she defending herself from?

Rape.

But she can't refuse.

[Kaggeceria]

But she can’t refuse

If she's being raped she has the right to self defense.

But she's supposed to give her husband sex whenever he wants.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

If she's being raped she has the right to self defense.

But she's supposed to give her husband sex whenever he wants.

Yeah, but he can't rape her, that's a sin.

[Internationalist Bastard]

But she's supposed to give her husband sex whenever he wants.

Yeah, but he can't rape her, that's a sin.

But she can’t refuse to have sex

[Kaggeceria]

But she's supposed to give her husband sex whenever he wants.

Yeah, but he can't rape her, that's a sin.

But she can't refuse.

[New haven america]

But she's supposed to give her husband sex whenever he wants.

Yeah, but he can't rape her, that's a sin.

Apparently, you don't know what "Whenever he wants" means.

Also, it's not a sin if they're married and her husband ejaculates inside her.

[Saranidia]

If she's being raped she has the right to self defense.

But she's supposed to give her husband sex whenever he wants.

doesnt mean he can force her to even if that is the interpretation.

Ideally men wouldn't being superstitious doesnt mean they should be forced not to be.

[Saranidia]

Yeah, but he can't rape her, that's a sin.

But she can’t refuse to have sex

where does it say she cant? what is the punishment in Islamic law then, Alex?

[Internationalist Bastard]

But she can’t refuse to have sex

where does it say she cant? what is the punishment in Islamic law then, Alex?

According to Amin it’s a law. If so then a woman can do nothing about spousal rape

[Elenir]

Well, I don't know how much ground you guys will gain, especially if you constantly repeat "But she can't refuse."

Honestly, I think we should discuss about other properties of Theocracy, rather that you know, simply islam. Like, why not have a theocratic federation, Kinda like the relationship that the vatican had with the christian kingdoms during the middle ages?

[Internationalist Bastard]

Well, I don't know how much ground you guys will gain, especially if you constantly repeat "But she can't refuse."

Honestly, I think we should discuss about other properties of Theocracy, rather that you know, simply islam. Like, why not have a theocratic federation, Kinda like the relationship that the vatican had with the christian kingdoms during the middle ages?

When the church was highly corrupt and used as a political bludgeon?

[Elenir]

Well, I don't know how much ground you guys will gain, especially if you constantly repeat "But she can't refuse."

Honestly, I think we should discuss about other properties of Theocracy, rather that you know, simply islam. Like, why not have a theocratic federation, Kinda like the relationship that the vatican had with the christian kingdoms during the middle ages?

When the church was highly corrupt and used as a political bludgeon?

Yes.

[Kaggeceria]

Well, I don't know how much ground you guys will gain, especially if you constantly repeat "But she can't refuse."

Honestly, I think we should discuss about other properties of Theocracy, rather that you know, simply islam. Like, why not have a theocratic federation, Kinda like the relationship that the vatican had with the christian kingdoms during the middle ages?

When the church was highly corrupt and used as a political bludgeon?

It's still corrupt to this day.

Honestly the Catholic Church needs to he disbanded tbh.

Protestant Reformation 2.0

[Tarsonis]

When the church was highly corrupt and used as a political bludgeon?

It's still corrupt to this day.

Honestly the Catholic Church needs to he disbanded tbh.

Protestant Reformation 2.0

The first one was such a cataclysmic fuck up, I think you’d better let it rest

[Kaggeceria]

It's still corrupt to this day.

Honestly the Catholic Church needs to he disbanded tbh.

Protestant Reformation 2.0

The first one was such a cataclysmic fuck up, I think you’d better let it rest

Nah. With all the kiddy-diddling and corruption I think another Reformation is needed.

[Tarsonis]

The first one was such a cataclysmic fuck up, I think you’d better let it rest

Nah. With all the kiddy-diddling and corruption I think another Reformation is needed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... 226fa899fb

https://religionnews.com/2015/12/07/spo ... c-problem/

https://res.mdpi.com/religions/religion ... tachment=1



It’s actually worse in your house than mine. And you can’t cry about corruption when this is a thing:
https://youtu.be/7y1xJAVZxXg

[Kowani]

Nah. With all the kiddy-diddling and corruption I think another Reformation is needed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... 226fa899fb

https://religionnews.com/2015/12/07/spo ... c-problem/

https://res.mdpi.com/religions/religion ... tachment=1



It’s actually worse in your house than mine. And you can’t cry about corruption when this is a thing:
https://youtu.be/7y1xJAVZxXg

Yes, yes, your whataboutism is wonderful, but it doesn’t mean that the criticisms laid at the Church are invalid. Additionally, it doesn’t mean that anyone else is innocent, we’re just talking about Catholicism right now.

[Internationalist Bastard]

When the church was highly corrupt and used as a political bludgeon?

Yes.

Any reason why other than reliving Crusader Kings?

[Tarsonis]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... 226fa899fb

https://religionnews.com/2015/12/07/spo ... c-problem/

https://res.mdpi.com/religions/religion ... tachment=1



It’s actually worse in your house than mine. And you can’t cry about corruption when this is a thing:
https://youtu.be/7y1xJAVZxXg

Yes, yes, your whataboutism is wonderful, but it doesn’t mean that the criticisms laid at the Church are invalid. Additionally, it doesn’t mean that anyone else is innocent, we’re just talking about Catholicism right now.

Fuck it doesn’t. He’s claiming the Protestants are better. I’m proving they aren’t.

[Elenir]

Yes.

Any reason why other than reliving Crusader Kings?

Religious unity, centralized government, etc. Ofcourse we don't base it around the vatican itself, but a similar system would be interesting. Think how much you could do with a religious doctrine that's tightly followed, idk, for example help the poor, be against violence, etc.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Any reason why other than reliving Crusader Kings?

Religious unity, centralized government, etc. Ofcourse we don't base it around the vatican itself, but a similar system would be interesting. Think how much you could do with a religious doctrine that's tightly followed, idk, for example help the poor, be against violence, etc.

Yes as we know the Middle Ages were famous for the excellent conditions of the poor and an utter lack of war

[Elenir]

Religious unity, centralized government, etc. Ofcourse we don't base it around the vatican itself, but a similar system would be interesting. Think how much you could do with a religious doctrine that's tightly followed, idk, for example help the poor, be against violence, etc.

Yes as we know the Middle Ages were famous for the excellent conditions of the poor and an utter lack of war

Yes, but you need to take your mind outside of the middle ages. Not necesarily middle age catholicism, something better.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

When the church was highly corrupt and used as a political bludgeon?

It's still corrupt to this day.

Honestly the Catholic Church needs to he disbanded tbh.

Protestant Reformation 2.0

As a relatively radical secularist, I'd argue that completely neutering the Catholic Church's structure by transforming it into a purely symbolic organization would be enough.

However, we must safeguard the historical aspect of religion, so no bulldozing the Vatican.

[Tarsonis]

It's still corrupt to this day.

Honestly the Catholic Church needs to he disbanded tbh.

Protestant Reformation 2.0

As a relatively radical secularist, I'd argue that completely neutering the Catholic Church's structure by transforming it into a purely symbolic organization would be enough.

However, we must safeguard the historical aspect of religion, so no bulldozing the Vatican.

See it should go the other way. The Church has become too open, too blaise, too normal. It needs to become aloof and mysterious again.