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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:48 am

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:No you’d only have around $10,000

What evidence do you have to assume my reaction to every Aellex post?


If I got £1 every time I facepalmed at one of your posts, I would be a millionaire.


That’s your quote. So if you look at this logically assuming you facepalm once for each post you would only have $14,900. It’s called reasoning. Learn it.

(plus I live in the UK and thus use pounds)

Everyone knows that the $ sign can be used to mean just money in general and not USD.
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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:54 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:What evidence do you have to assume my reaction to every Aellex post?


If I got £1 every time I facepalmed at one of your posts, I would be a millionaire.


That’s your quote. So if you look at this logically assuming you facepalm once for each post you would only have $14,900. It’s called reasoning. Learn it.

(plus I live in the UK and thus use pounds)

Everyone knows that the $ sign can be used to mean just money in general and not USD.

Ok then

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Postby Diopolis » Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:26 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Saranidia wrote:depends on your definition of theocracy.
if you mean rule by religious officials acting in said capacity then you would say its equally Islam(Iran) and Catholicism(Vatican).

If you mean rule based on religious law then yes Islam.

The Vatican is ruled by canon law (aka catholic religious law) so it qualifies as a theocracy. But it’s pretty much only ruling over its own employees which it does a shit job of

Actually the Vatican has its own civil law code. The senior administration, however, is identical to the senior leadership of the Catholic Church.
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Postby Aellex » Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:25 am

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:If I got £1 every time I facepalmed at one of your posts, I would be a millionaire. You repeatedly demonstrate your complete inability to argue with anything but logical fallacies, and when anyone points out how fucking ridiculous your argument is, you put their refutation in your trademark alternating upper and lower case letters and whine about how "it's all wrong and an ad hominem attack". You're the far-right equivalent of an SJW on steroids.

Far from me the idea of starting up another threadjack just after a mod came up to stop the first one but let's just say that this whole accusation and attempt at an attack on my character would have had more weight if you hadn't had a mental breakdown and demanded for me to justify an argument you invented in your head before melting down when such was pointed to you just a couple week ago. :lol2:

Anyway, no need to answer further for I shan't myself so let's just let this whole thing die now so the mods don't need to come up looming again so shortly.
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Postby The South Falls » Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:38 am

Diopolis wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:The Vatican is ruled by canon law (aka catholic religious law) so it qualifies as a theocracy. But it’s pretty much only ruling over its own employees which it does a shit job of

Actually the Vatican has its own civil law code. The senior administration, however, is identical to the senior leadership of the Catholic Church.

It's still ruled by the pope, which weaves Christianity deep in the government.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:43 am

The South Falls wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Actually the Vatican has its own civil law code. The senior administration, however, is identical to the senior leadership of the Catholic Church.

It's still ruled by the pope, which weaves Christianity deep in the government.

Good. If there were Chrstian citizens living in the Vatican territory, they should have to follow the laws.
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Postby Publica » Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:43 am

The South Falls wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Actually the Vatican has its own civil law code. The senior administration, however, is identical to the senior leadership of the Catholic Church.

It's still ruled by the pope, which weaves Christianity deep in the government.


It probably still meets the definition of a theocracy. it's ruled by the upper echelons of the Catholic Church after all, and supposedly does so in the name of God.
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Postby The South Falls » Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:45 am

Publica wrote:
The South Falls wrote:It's still ruled by the pope, which weaves Christianity deep in the government.


It probably still meets the definition of a theocracy. it's ruled by the upper echelons of the Catholic Church after all, and supposedly does so in the name of God.

It is a theocracy.
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The South Falls wrote:It's still ruled by the pope, which weaves Christianity deep in the government.

Good. If there were Chrstian citizens living in the Vatican territory, they should have to follow the laws.

There's barely anyone living there, other than the pope's employees.
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Postby Publica » Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:56 am

The South Falls wrote:
Publica wrote:
It probably still meets the definition of a theocracy. it's ruled by the upper echelons of the Catholic Church after all, and supposedly does so in the name of God.

It is a theocracy.
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Good. If there were Chrstian citizens living in the Vatican territory, they should have to follow the laws.

There's barely anyone living there, other than the pope's employees.


The internet tells me it has a population of 1000.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:35 am

The South Falls wrote:There's barely anyone living there, other than the pope's employees.

Hence why I said "if".
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:39 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
The South Falls wrote:It's still ruled by the pope, which weaves Christianity deep in the government.

Good. If there were Chrstian citizens living in the Vatican territory, they should have to follow the laws.

I don’t trust the Catholic Church at all so no. Also not all Christians are Catholic so why should Baptist’s follow catholic laws?
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:40 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Good. If there were Chrstian citizens living in the Vatican territory, they should have to follow the laws.

I don’t trust the Catholic Church at all so no. Also not all Christians are Catholic so why should Baptist’s follow catholic laws?

True, but that's up to the Christians on how they wanna enforce Christian law.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:41 am

Publica wrote:
The South Falls wrote:It is a theocracy.

There's barely anyone living there, other than the pope's employees.


The internet tells me it has a population of 1000.

The vast majority of which are priests and nuns
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Postby The South Falls » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:42 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Publica wrote:
The internet tells me it has a population of 1000.

The vast majority of which are priests and nuns

And so the pope's employees.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:43 am

The South Falls wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:The vast majority of which are priests and nuns

And so the pope's employees.

Yup. Vatican City is effectively the world Headquarters of Catholic Church Inc
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Postby Kaggeceria » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:43 am

Theocracy is an inherently grotesque form of government that should be opposed wherever it appears.
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Postby Diopolis » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:52 am

Publica wrote:
The South Falls wrote:It's still ruled by the pope, which weaves Christianity deep in the government.


It probably still meets the definition of a theocracy. it's ruled by the upper echelons of the Catholic Church after all, and supposedly does so in the name of God.

Yes, it does. It is not, however, under canon law in any respect.
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Postby Saranidia » Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:15 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I don’t trust the Catholic Church at all so no. Also not all Christians are Catholic so why should Baptist’s follow catholic laws?

True, but that's up to the Christians on how they wanna enforce Christian law.

very tolerant of you. I wish our Christian fellow Abrahamics would have similar respect for our faith more often(although Pope Francis does and kissed the Quran in one of his speeches)
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Postby The Archregimancy » Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:17 pm

Aellex wrote:
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:If I got £1 every time I facepalmed at one of your posts, I would be a millionaire. You repeatedly demonstrate your complete inability to argue with anything but logical fallacies, and when anyone points out how fucking ridiculous your argument is, you put their refutation in your trademark alternating upper and lower case letters and whine about how "it's all wrong and an ad hominem attack". You're the far-right equivalent of an SJW on steroids.

Far from me the idea of starting up another threadjack just after a mod came up to stop the first one but let's just say that this whole accusation and attempt at an attack on my character would have had more weight if you hadn't had a mental breakdown and demanded for me to justify an argument you invented in your head before melting down when such was pointed to you just a couple week ago. :lol2:


*** 1-week ban for trolling/flamebaiting *** - and after you'd been asked to stop this posting behaviour in this very thread.

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Postby Tarsonis » Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:26 pm

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Aellex wrote:Far from me the idea of starting up another threadjack just after a mod came up to stop the first one but let's just say that this whole accusation and attempt at an attack on my character would have had more weight if you hadn't had a mental breakdown and demanded for me to justify an argument you invented in your head before melting down when such was pointed to you just a couple week ago. :lol2:


*** 1-week ban for trolling/flamebaiting *** - and after you'd been asked to stop this posting behaviour in this very thread.

Your posting record on both this account and your previous account has been taken into account.


Not that I’m questioning your impartiality, but CTM also baited him, and dog piled onto the argument after your warning. Why doesn’t he at least get a warning?
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Postby Herskerstad » Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:26 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
Aellex wrote:Far from me the idea of starting up another threadjack just after a mod came up to stop the first one but let's just say that this whole accusation and attempt at an attack on my character would have had more weight if you hadn't had a mental breakdown and demanded for me to justify an argument you invented in your head before melting down when such was pointed to you just a couple week ago. :lol2:


*** 1-week ban for trolling/flamebaiting *** - and after you'd been asked to stop this posting behaviour in this very thread.

Your posting record on both this account and your previous account has been taken into account.


What qualifies for the special treatment club this time around given that he neither was the one that broke the peace, and that this seems very much like a tat is worse than tit ruling given the back and forward that preceded it?
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:26 pm

Saranidia wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:True, but that's up to the Christians on how they wanna enforce Christian law.

very tolerant of you. I wish our Christian fellow Abrahamics would have similar respect for our faith more often(although Pope Francis does and kissed the Quran in one of his speeches)

It's a part of the religion ;) :hug:
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Saranidia » Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:27 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Saranidia wrote:very tolerant of you. I wish our Christian fellow Abrahamics would have similar respect for our faith more often(although Pope Francis does and kissed the Quran in one of his speeches)

It's a part of the religion ;) :hug:

I know we're the religion of peace.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:28 pm

Saranidia wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:It's a part of the religion ;) :hug:

I know were the religion of peace.

I low-key don't like this phrase. Yes it's true, But that's all of what Al-Islam is. It also gives the wrong idea and is inaccurate, considering the ayat and aHadith about fighting.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby The Archregimancy » Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:32 pm

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:
Aellex wrote:Ah fam, it's so sad, you're trying as hard as you're projecting, even separating shit with little numbers to makes it looks like what you're saying is "logical" and yet you clearly can't even convince yourself.
Nah, because your vision of God is obviously the one of an atheist, you're thus obviously an atheist; that's all. Again, your fault not mine. ;)
Oh laddie, do you really wanna humiliate yourself by bringing that shit up? Because you whining for two pages after I told you to fuck off when you thought that telling me sanctimoniously that "exemple" is wrote "example" in English made your penis bigger and your argument wittier really isn't something you should be proud of. :lol2:
But nice on proving I was exactly in point and you simply can't stop yourself from just screeching "YoU dOn'T uNdErStAnD wHaT FaLlAcIeS aRe !1!!1!"

Also that last sentence was just a pearl. If you wanna try and make yourself looks smarter and insult the other guy to conclude your """"argument"""", try and not write something that literally doesn't make sense like "It's cute how you think you things." to begin your bitching else you're just going to end up illustrating the Dunning-Kruger effect like you did. ;)

If I got £1 every time I facepalmed at one of your posts, I would be a millionaire. You repeatedly demonstrate your complete inability to argue with anything but logical fallacies, and when anyone points out how fucking ridiculous your argument is, you put their refutation in your trademark alternating upper and lower case letters and whine about how "it's all wrong and an ad hominem attack". You're the far-right equivalent of an SJW on steroids.


*** Warned for flamebaiting. ***

That was completely unnecessary - especially since I'd recently asked people to knock off with this type of behaviour in this thread.


The rest of you, patience, please; some cases take a little longer to tie up the loose ends on than others.

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