Theocracy Discussion Thread

[Olerand]

The CCP being the Communist party? Well, the vast majority of the left, and even the Communist parties of Europe (minus the unreformed ones like those of the Czech Republic or Greece) don't support most of the policies of the CCP, and wouldn't enforce them in their country.

Now, you're going to tell me that all of these positions: "to ban abortions

to teach creationism and not only evolution

to lead prayers in school

allow christians to preach without call it "hate speech" if they preach verses that not fit into their ego"

are not systematically on the Republican platform?


So these positions aren't on the Republican platform? Republicans have never railed about these ills, or promised to bring about laws and changes to bring these positions into force?

No war on Christmas? No school manuals that teach creationism? No prayers in schools? No decrying of the oppression of Christians' "free speech"?

You're positively sure you want to make this claim?

War on Christmas was a terrorism reference discussing terrorists attacks in December.

Nobody in the Republican Party save for radicals does support creationism, but opposes evolution save for radicals.

Prayers allowed in school but not enforced

Etc

Where's the terrorism?

Your sentence doesn't actually make sense, how I've read it, but are you claiming that the Republican Party of Texas, the most populous red State, is filled with radicals?
I definitely don't disagree. But I would generalize this beyond Texas, there are many States that have creationism as a part of their "scientific" curriculum. Though yet again, what to expect when a plurality (almost half even) of the country believes in creationism, while the second largest group believes in intelligent design.

And school prayers aren't mandatory in many States only because the Supreme Court, a radically different Supreme Court back in the 60s, banned them. But 80% of Republicans still support praying in schools, and in red States where not praying makes you the outcast, the libtard, how likely are kids to break this norm? About as likely as Egyptian women are to not wear the hijab or not be genitally mutilated, both of which are by no means de facto required.

Now, I certainly don't disagree that all of these positions are very radical. But it seems that Republicans like them. That might suggest something about the American right, no?

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

1. Don't make me debunk the claim that a blanket ban on abortion does not work for the 76th time
2. Creationism has no scientific basis
3. Prayers in school for one religion are discriminatory against students with another religion or no religion. Plus, school should encourage critical thinking rather than proselytise.
4. Hate speech is defined as "speech that attacks a person or group on the basis of attributes such as race, religion, ethnic origin, national origin, sex, disability, sexual orientation, or gender identity". Why should racist, sexist, xenophobic, religiously discriminatory or homophobic religious preaching not be labelled as hate speech?

1: abortion is a murder, women right ends when a child is born, she can abort herself, but she need to keave the child alone
2: your evolution is men made
3: "Prayers in school for one religion are discriminatory against students with another religion or no religion. Plus, school should encourage critical thinking rather than proselytise" well i don't want to live in such country, i want only one religion and it christianity and i don't care about
discriminatory, it is what i want, not it going to happen in the near future
4: Well, i don't care what you say about speech that attacks blah blah blah, if God probhits homosexuality i will preach it and i don't care it they are feeling bad about it, and yes it is wrong and a sin, here i said it race is not importent, and disable people are respected

1. You asked for it...

Abortion before 24 weeks does not kill a being that has experienced consciousness. Potential is an abstract quality. Abortion leads to less suffering from the mother from unwanted pregnancy, rape etc. Criminalising abortion only leads to more unsafe illegal abortions, it does not reduce the abortion rate at all.

Plus, you stated that a woman's rights end when a child is born. Abortion is still A-OK from that logic

2. Evolution has been witnessed in laboratory conditions in bacteria and organisms such as fruit flies, showing effects such as speciation. Creationism, on the other hand, has no evidence supporting it besides refutable religious texts.

3. You have admitted to blatant religious discrimination

4. Homosexuality cannot be a moral issue. Since sexual orientation is unchangeable, homophobia is morally on par with racism and sexism.

[Saranidia]

Well theocracy means classically speaking rule by God/the gods if one believes in a just God then it would make sense to agree with that.
The difficulty is determining if God agrees with something.

It’s like saying “I support/ don’t support justice” the question is more what justice is(and once again whether it exists).

On the other hand some groups may assume they know more about God(an act as self-appointed “gods” in their own right) and so use violence to create a “utopia “ which like using violence to create a democratic, capitalist or communist utopia is aggression(it’s a regime using violence to create what is perceived as perfection rather than to stop violence against innocent people and then, after signing a peace treaty, leaving)

Furthermore expertise about sacred texts may not translate into political knowledge without help from other experts hence I believe government should be collaboration between as many groups as possible(the greater diversity of groups may result in God given reason triumphing rather than the culture of a specific race or occupation for example) but I think God’s law should be the constitution of the democratic republic(which is more democratic than it being decided by party a basis which empowers the elite party members rather than the significant majority that follow certain theological beliefs in most societies) and in my opinion that divine law should be based on Islam.

[Olerand]

The CCP being the Communist party? Well, the vast majority of the left, and even the Communist parties of Europe (minus the unreformed ones like those of the Czech Republic or Greece) don't support most of the policies of the CCP, and wouldn't enforce them in their country.

Now, you're going to tell me that all of these positions: "to ban abortions

to teach creationism and not only evolution

to lead prayers in school

allow christians to preach without call it "hate speech" if they preach verses that not fit into their ego"

are not systematically on the Republican platform?


So these positions aren't on the Republican platform? Republicans have never railed about these ills, or promised to bring about laws and changes to bring these positions into force?

No war on Christmas? No school manuals that teach creationism? No prayers in schools? No decrying of the oppression of Christians' "free speech"?

You're positively sure you want to make this claim?

You're not an American I don't believe so this nuance might have escaped you, but the Republican party and the American Right are not monolithic entities. Some 34% of American Republicans are pro-choice, while some do want creationism taught in school it's hardly universal with some 43% of Republicans believing in evolution 5 years ago (the number likely to have increased), and even 45% of Democrats supporting daily school prayer.

As I've already responded with the relevant figures, I will point you to my earlier post. All of these positions are awfully radical. And yet have the support of a majority of Republicans, many State parties, and many national Republicans. How odd. It's almost as if the Republican Party is the sister party of the Muslim Brotherhood, who support much the same policies.

As always, I ask, what is the difference between the American right and the Muslim Brotherhood?

Not all of the American right are uber religious nuts. Actually most of the alt-right are Atheist

See my previous post. And I don't care about the bootleg identitaires, I'm not counting them in these calculations, for I said radical right, not far-right.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Homosexuality cannot be a moral issue.

Yes it can be.

[Gospel Power]

1: abortion is a murder, women right ends when a child is born, she can abort herself, but she need to leave the child alone

"She can abort herself"? What the actual fuck does that mean?

2: your evolution is men made

Yes, evolution made men, your point?

i want only one religion and it christianity and i don't care about discriminatory

Sounds extremist to me.

4: Well, i don't care what you say about speech that attacks blah blah blah, if God probhits homosexuality i will preach it and i don't care it they are feeling bad about it, and yes it is wrong and a sin, here i said it race is not importent, and disable people are respected

So disabled people and other races are OK, but the icky gays aren't. How generous(!)

That is what i want, but people can't handle it and start to attack me, it was like that many years before your seculer ideas, so i think their time is over and i want a theocracy, you are an atheist so why you are even here? i know you athiests fear death and know God is waiting, that is why you always stick your noses in topics like it, real atheists do not care about religion at all, they live without think about it, i do not believe in zeus but i don't search about him or always stick my nose in topics about him, that is the ideal country for me, religious, steong, conservative

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

Homosexuality cannot be a moral issue.

Yes it can be.

Watch. The. Video.

[Olerand]

"She can abort herself"? What the actual fuck does that mean?


Yes, evolution made men, your point?


Sounds extremist to me.


So disabled people and other races are OK, but the icky gays aren't. How generous(!)

That is what i want, but people can't handle it and start to attack me, it was like that many years before your seculer ideas, so i think their time is over and i want a theocracy, you are an atheist so why you are even here? i know you athiests fear death and know God is waiting, that is why you always stick your noses in topics like it, real atheists do not care about religion at all, they live without think about it, i do not believe in zeus but i don't search about him or always stick my nose in topics about him, that is the ideal country for me, religious, steong, conservative

Well, it's nice of you to be so accommodating of others' beliefs, but theocracies, when in power, are rarely so magnanimous.

The vast majority of the developed world, that doesn't want a theocracy to oppress them or their nation, will logically thus continue to intrude on suggestions to establish such an atrocious regime.

[Internationalist Bastard]

"She can abort herself"? What the actual fuck does that mean?


Yes, evolution made men, your point?


Sounds extremist to me.


So disabled people and other races are OK, but the icky gays aren't. How generous(!)

That is what i want, but people can't handle it and start to attack me, it was like that many years before your seculer ideas, so i think their time is over and i want a theocracy, you are an atheist so why you are even here? i know you athiests fear death and know God is waiting, that is why you always stick your noses in topics like it, real atheists do not care about religion at all, they live without think about it, i do not believe in zeus but i don't search about him or always stick my nose in topics about him, that is the ideal country for me, religious, steong, conservative

It’s possible to be a religious person who thinks law should be secular

[Kubumba Tribe]

you are an atheist so why you are even here?

OP says that non-theocrats can talk here. Even if it didn't, I owe can't restrict forums to certain people.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

"She can abort herself"? What the actual fuck does that mean?


Yes, evolution made men, your point?


Sounds extremist to me.


So disabled people and other races are OK, but the icky gays aren't. How generous(!)

That is what i want, but people can't handle it and start to attack me, it was like that many years before your seculer ideas, so i think their time is over and i want a theocracy, you are an atheist so why you are even here? i know you athiests fear death and know God is waiting, that is why you always stick your noses in topics like it, real atheists do not care about religion at all, they live without think about it, i do not believe in zeus but i don't search about him or always stick my nose in topics about him, that is the ideal country for me, religious, steong, conservative

Secular ideas are not a temporary movement which will fall and return to theocracy - secularisation is a long-term shift in human society, similar to the agricultural and industrial revolutions (and in fact is spurred by technological and social progress and economic growth). We are here to show you how BS your ideas are and how they should go nowhere near politics. If Zeus worshippers enacted discriminatory and authoritarian policies to safeguard their beliefs, other religions and irreligion would attack them.

[Gospel Power]

you are an atheist so why you are even here?

OP says that non-theocrats can talk here. Even if it didn't, I owe can't restrict forums to certain people.

i know but why they still think about religion or say that it is bad thing? why they always search about how to prove thst religion is wrong? i don't believe in zeus but i don't care about him, if you don't believe don't believe and stop search about it, it is a free world

[Internationalist Bastard]

OP says that non-theocrats can talk here. Even if it didn't, I owe can't restrict forums to certain people.

i know but why they still think about religion or say that it is bad thing? why they always search about how to prove thst religion is wrong? i don't believe in zeus but i don't care about him, if you don't believe don't believe and stop search about it, it is a free world

My problem is specifically it being the source of law
How would you feel under the Dalai Lama or a Caliphate?

[Silver Commonwealth]

Theocracy is interesting as a concept for worldbuilding material.

However, I am staunchly opposed to theocracy, as I am an atheist myself. Government and religion should be kept separate, because when it doesn't happen, it rarely ends well.

[The New California Republic]

That is what i want, but people can't handle it and start to attack me

If you start spouting opinions on NSForums then you should expect people to react to them, this isn't some glorified blog you know...

you are an atheist so why you are even here?

There are no closed threads in NSGeneral. I mean, I'm not trans but I occasionally post on the trans thread...

i know you athiests fear death and know God is waiting, that is why you always stick your noses in topics like it

"I know you people who don't believe in God fear God". What the actual fuck??

real atheists do not care about religion at all, they live without think about it

That's as stupid as saying "People who aren't black don't care about racism"

that is the ideal country for me, religious, steong, conservative

Yes, I want a steong country too...

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

OP says that non-theocrats can talk here. Even if it didn't, I owe can't restrict forums to certain people.

i know but why they still think about religion or say that it is bad thing? why they always search about how to prove thst religion is wrong? i don't believe in zeus but i don't care about him, if you don't believe don't believe and stop search about it, it is a free world

You don't just believe in the Judeo-Christian God. You want to force your authoritarian values, allegedly taught to you by the Judeo-Christian God, on everyone else due to your belief in their validity. If a Christian believes in God but keeps their beliefs as a private matter (as opposed to you), I don't give a shit.

[Gospel Power]

i know but why they still think about religion or say that it is bad thing? why they always search about how to prove thst religion is wrong? i don't believe in zeus but i don't care about him, if you don't believe don't believe and stop search about it, it is a free world

My problem is specifically it being the source of law
How would you feel under the Dalai Lama or a Caliphate?

like it going to happen in the secular world, well Caliphate is another thing about the west since in my beliefs it going to happen with the mass of immigrants they are accepting but that is another story, but the secular world is not going to become a christian theocracy because of liberlism

[Saranidia]

That is what i want, but people can't handle it and start to attack me, it was like that many years before your seculer ideas, so i think their time is over and i want a theocracy, you are an atheist so why you are even here? i know you athiests fear death and know God is waiting, that is why you always stick your noses in topics like it, real atheists do not care about religion at all, they live without think about it, i do not believe in zeus but i don't search about him or always stick my nose in topics about him, that is the ideal country for me, religious, steong, conservative

It’s possible to be a religious person who thinks law should be secular

True because it’s possible to forget your usual ideals when making laws

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

My problem is specifically it being the source of law
How would you feel under the Dalai Lama or a Caliphate?

like it going to happen in the secular world, well Caliphate is another thing about the west since in my beliefs it going to happen with the mass of immigrants they are accepting but that is another story, but the secular world is not going to become a christian theocracy because of liberlism

The point is, what makes Christianity more valid than Islam or Buddhism?

[Internationalist Bastard]

My problem is specifically it being the source of law
How would you feel under the Dalai Lama or a Caliphate?

like it going to happen in the secular world, well Caliphate is another thing about the west since in my beliefs it going to happen with the mass of immigrants they are accepting but that is another story, but the secular world is not going to become a christian theocracy because of liberlism

I’m asking you to imagine what it would be like to live under a theocracy of a different faith

[Internationalist Bastard]

It’s possible to be a religious person who thinks law should be secular

True because it’s possible to forget your usual ideals when making laws

Eh I’ve never found truth in the “all morality is stemmed from religion”
For me it was just base human empathy that determines what’s right

[Thermodolia]

You're not an American I don't believe so this nuance might have escaped you, but the Republican party and the American Right are not monolithic entities. Some 34% of American Republicans are pro-choice, while some do want creationism taught in school it's hardly universal with some 43% of Republicans believing in evolution 5 years ago (the number likely to have increased), and even 45% of Democrats supporting daily school prayer.

As I've already responded with the relevant figures, I will point you to my earlier post. All of these positions are awfully radical. And yet have the support of a majority of Republicans, many State parties, and many national Republicans. How odd. It's almost as if the Republican Party is the sister party of the Muslim Brotherhood, who support much the same policies.

Not all of the American right are uber religious nuts. Actually most of the alt-right are Atheist

See my previous post. And I don't care about the bootleg identitaires, I'm not counting them in these calculations, for I said radical right, not far-right.

No you said the American right. Not the radical right.

As always, I ask, what is the difference between the American right and the Muslim Brotherhood?

That’s your own quote. Unless you can’t read your own posts.

[Gospel Power]

i know but why they still think about religion or say that it is bad thing? why they always search about how to prove thst religion is wrong? i don't believe in zeus but i don't care about him, if you don't believe don't believe and stop search about it, it is a free world

You don't just believe in the Judeo-Christian God. You want to force your authoritarian values, allegedly taught to you by the Judeo-Christian God, on everyone else due to your belief in their validity. If a Christian believes in God but keeps their beliefs as a private matter (as opposed to you), I don't give a shit.

Like your values are about liberlism, my values are chrisrltian, and no i will not keep them private i am not afraid of no one, it is time to us christians to shout it, and no i don't want to force my values upon you since it never going to happen, secularism is so deep in the free world so i don't think it going to happen, so accept my theocracy as a little dream

[The New California Republic]

You don't just believe in the Judeo-Christian God. You want to force your authoritarian values, allegedly taught to you by the Judeo-Christian God, on everyone else due to your belief in their validity. If a Christian believes in God but keeps their beliefs as a private matter (as opposed to you), I don't give a shit.

Like your values are about liberlism, my values are chrisrltian, and no i will not keep them private i am not afraid of no one, it is time to us christiqns to shout it

I've never heard of that religion...

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

You don't just believe in the Judeo-Christian God. You want to force your authoritarian values, allegedly taught to you by the Judeo-Christian God, on everyone else due to your belief in their validity. If a Christian believes in God but keeps their beliefs as a private matter (as opposed to you), I don't give a shit.

Like your values are about liberlism, my values are chrisrltian, and no i will not keep them private i am not afraid of no one, it is time to us christiqns to shout it, and no i don't want to force my values upon you since it never going to happen, secularism is so deep in the free world so i don't think it going to happen, so accept my theocracy as a little dream

Ok. But why do you expect us not to shout at your idea, just like how you shout at liberal ideas? Free speech...