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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:48 am

Conserative Morality wrote:I'm no fan of this system, but let's not pretend that companies are anything but hotbeds of nepotism in the upper ranks.


And this doesn't help that at all.
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Postby Northeast American Federation » Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:51 am

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Conserative Morality wrote:I'm no fan of this system, but let's not pretend that companies are anything but hotbeds of nepotism in the upper ranks.


And this doesn't help that at all.

Don't be silly, clearly having candidates chosen via nepotism to fill diversity quotas will solve the problem of nepotism.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:51 am

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Hammer Britannia wrote:I'm pretty sure he's just in denial that his state is a virgin and that the chad Texas shall take over the world

Texas is an economic powerhouse, which has consistently excelled California on growth.

Let's see, we have DOW, Oil, Natural Gas, Dell, Pizza Hut, JCPenny, H-E-B, GameStop, Motel 6, Phillips 66, Whataburger.

What does Cali have? Kim Kardashian? Google? Smashburger? Apple?
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:53 am

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Great Minarchistan wrote:Texas is an economic powerhouse, which has consistently excelled California on growth.

Let's see, we have DOW, Oil, Natural Gas, Dell, Pizza Hut, JCPenny, H-E-B, GameStop, Motel 6, Phillips 66, Whataburger.

What does Cali have? Kim Kardashian? Google? Smashburger?

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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:53 am

The customers; male and female combined; if they at all wanted this, didn't want it badly enough to make it good PR to do so. Perhaps they prefer testosterone-driven businesspeople as much as they prefer estrogen-driven teachers? Who is the government to tell them they're wrong?
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Postby Northeast American Federation » Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:58 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:The customers; male and female combined; if they at all wanted this, didn't want it badly enough to make it good PR to do so. Perhaps they prefer testosterone-driven businesspeople as much as they prefer estrogen-driven teachers? Who is the government to tell them they're wrong?

That just means all those people are sexist, not that the California government did anything wrong. At least, that's probably the reasoning of the hyper-progressives that thought this was a brilliant idea.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:00 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:The customers; male and female combined; if they at all wanted this, didn't want it badly enough to make it good PR to do so. Perhaps they prefer testosterone-driven businesspeople as much as they prefer estrogen-driven teachers? Who is the government to tell them they're wrong?

That's interesting for you to say, since the job pattern assumed by men and women is completely different and has stark differences from whatever could be called as "equal".
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:01 am

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Let's see, we have DOW, Oil, Natural Gas, Dell, Pizza Hut, JCPenny, H-E-B, GameStop, Motel 6, Phillips 66, Whataburger.

What does Cali have? Kim Kardashian? Google? Smashburger?

A decadent silicon valley :behehe:

Can't wait till it's flooded by "Muh Global Warming"
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:02 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:A decadent silicon valley :behehe:

Can't wait till it's flooded by "Muh Global Warming"

an earthquake will catch it up first.
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Postby Shofercia » Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:07 am

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Shofercia wrote:Our population is growing. In spite of that, we still have a positive net migration rate.

Calling BS on that claim.


My statistic was based on the US Census. Your statistic came from a blog post. And even if we are to use your statistic, over the last decade it showed an average of -0.5% net migration, which isn't a mass exodus by any stretch of the imagination, except, apparently yours. Furthermore, yours focuses on tax filers, and thus does not take the migration of legal immigrants into California into account. If someone was to be a legal immigrant, going the student visa route, they would not be filing taxes, as their income would probably be below minimum wage.

To summarize: I have a source, the US Census, that's based on people. You have a source, a blog, that's based on tax filers and their dependents. And even according to your source, there's still no mass exodus. Ouch!
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Postby Shofercia » Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:10 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:Texas is an economic powerhouse, which has consistently excelled California on growth.

Let's see, we have DOW, Oil, Natural Gas, Dell, Pizza Hut, JCPenny, H-E-B, GameStop, Motel 6, Phillips 66, Whataburger.

What does Cali have? Kim Kardashian? Google? Smashburger? Apple?


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Postby Auzkhia » Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:15 am

I understand why such policy was created, but having more female CEOs won't liberate anyone, it's just integrating more people into the system. This is peak liberalism, thinking that having women at the top will automatically mean better conditions for all women. Top down reforms are ineffective. People like to call California "commie" but no communist is in power in California, it's just liberals, which are capitalists and reformists.

Liberal and cultural feminists: We need more women CEOs!
Marxist feminists: Capitalism hurts women. How about no CEOs?

In short, I think this doesn't help.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:16 am

Shofercia wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:Calling BS on that claim.


My statistic was based on the US Census. Your statistic came from a blog post. And even if we are to use your statistic, over the last decade it showed an average of -0.5% net migration, which isn't a mass exodus by any stretch of the imagination, except, apparently yours. Furthermore, yours focuses on tax filers, and thus does not take the migration of legal immigrants into California into account. If someone was to be a legal immigrant, going the student visa route, they would not be filing taxes, as their income would probably be below minimum wage.

To summarize: I have a source, the US Census, that's based on people. You have a source, a blog, that's based on tax filers and their dependents. And even according to your source, there's still no mass exodus. Ouch!

The San Diego Tribune used that graph recently (Feb) to talk about it. There was an interesting bit of context that is California's real problem that doesn't really fit in with the dick waving about whose moving where.

People making $55,000 or less a year were mostly moving out of California between 2007 and 2016, the report found, while people making more than $200,000 a year moved in.

California is gentrifying as a state. This in turn is exasperating the cost of housing which is in turn driving out lower income residents thus feeding the cycle. But since those $200k folk can afford it, they only care in so much. We lose our poor and lower education folks and we cease to be able to grow or in fact function. Those rich fuckers need someone to serve the food and clean their hotels etc.

Our problems are a tad more complex than a dick measuring contest with Texas.
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:22 am

Shofercia wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Let's see, we have DOW, Oil, Natural Gas, Dell, Pizza Hut, JCPenny, H-E-B, GameStop, Motel 6, Phillips 66, Whataburger.

What does Cali have? Kim Kardashian? Google? Smashburger? Apple?


https://www.zippia.com/advice/biggest-c ... alifornia/

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Here at Zippia we have developed a database of over 250,000 companies that spans the entire country. For this report, we looked at the companies headquartered in California with at least 100 employees. That left us with 3,000 companies...


Wells Fargo is most definitely not in California, they just have their HQ in the Bay area. They're mostly based in NYC and that's where they have most employees.

The others on your list like Apple Intel and Oracle are really from Delaware for tax purposes. (Oracle America in this context - their US operations. Oracle Corporation itself is based in Delaware as well.)

Hence this legislation doesn't affect any of them.

In terms of corporate regulation, Delaware is by far the largest threat. Although lack of regulation is what Delaware made its name for, so that's unlikely to change. I'm unsure who this legislation affects. Maybe California passed it precisely because it affects close to nobody and there's more lefty altruist moral points to win than dollars to lose.
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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:03 am

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Kowani wrote:https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/09/30/california-law-sets-gender-quotas-corporate-boardrooms/1482883002/

California’s finally hit that next level of liberalism, government interference in business to ensure equality. Now, this is obviously a major win for the SJW lobby, not so much for anyone already on those boards. Beyond the normal criticism of “sexism!”, which I think someone else can handle much better than me, I think this sets a dangerous precedent. Seriously Jerry Brown, what were you thinking?



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Postby The Caleshan Valkyrie » Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:57 am

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The Caleshan Valkyrie wrote:I don't see a problem with it. If the studies are correct, it might actually help those companies in the long run to have at least one woman in the board room.

Still having a hard time figuring how one woman in a board room is such an imposition.


Because men in the higher IQ corner (not sure about EQ that defines professional success better, although iirc there was a study that shows IQ correlated with EQ) outnumber women at a 3:1 or 4:1 ratio. Given that most companies dont have a board of members large enough, thats p unfair for businesses. Nonetheless, putting women on a chair because of their gender rather than their specialization is yet again a major flaw.


And studies have shown that companies with a woman sitting on the board have a correlation towards better overall performance. A person serving on the board does not necessarily have a high IQ, and IQ is not the end-all-be-all of corporate operations, as a certain president well shows.
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The Caleshan Valkyrie wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:
Because men in the higher IQ corner (not sure about EQ that defines professional success better, although iirc there was a study that shows IQ correlated with EQ) outnumber women at a 3:1 or 4:1 ratio. Given that most companies dont have a board of members large enough, thats p unfair for businesses. Nonetheless, putting women on a chair because of their gender rather than their specialization is yet again a major flaw.


And studies have shown that companies with a woman sitting on the board have a correlation towards better overall performance. A person serving on the board does not necessarily have a high IQ, and IQ is not the end-all-be-all of corporate operations, as a certain president well shows.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:30 am

Salus Maior wrote:And this doesn't help that at all.

Conserative Morality wrote:I'm no fan of this system,

Wow, you really got me there.
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Postby Kanadorika » Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:34 am

Historically speaking, women in positions of political power have been more aggressive than their male counterparts. Female monarchs were more likely to wage war on foreign powers as a desire to be viewed as strong and determined despite being a woman.

I wonder if the same occurs in the corporate world.
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Postby Otira » Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:37 am

Northeast American Federation wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
And this doesn't help that at all.

Don't be silly, clearly having candidates chosen via nepotism to fill diversity quotas will solve the problem of nepotism.

I was worried about this law at first but you've assuaged my concerns! :)

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Postby Chestaan » Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:44 am

Auzkhia wrote:I understand why such policy was created, but having more female CEOs won't liberate anyone, it's just integrating more people into the system. This is peak liberalism, thinking that having women at the top will automatically mean better conditions for all women. Top down reforms are ineffective. People like to call California "commie" but no communist is in power in California, it's just liberals, which are capitalists and reformists.

Liberal and cultural feminists: We need more women CEOs!
Marxist feminists: Capitalism hurts women. How about no CEOs?

In short, I think this doesn't help.


Couldn't have put it better myself. More diverse oppressors does not help anyone.
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Postby Second Empire of America » Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:46 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:I'm a big fan of hiring a person based on whether or not a person is qualified for the position.


Then you should be a fan of this law, since it requires corporations to hire qualified women, instead of filling their boards exclusively with men who only got their jobs because of their sex.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:49 am

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Grinning Dragon wrote:I'm a big fan of hiring a person based on whether or not a person is qualified for the position.


Then you should be a fan of this law, since it requires corporations to hire qualified women, instead of filling their boards exclusively with men who only got their jobs because of their sex.

And... your proof?

If a business hires only men, which they legally can't discriminate anyways, than that's leaving out an entire market of good ideas.

The smart decision is to allow everyone to apply, but only accept the top so and so people. Not enforce a 50/50 which could lead talent people out of a job.
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:50 am

Annoying as this is, it's hardly a pressing issue. I'd rather Mr. Brown put checks and balances on powerful corporate boards (Silicon Valley, anyone) instead of this posturing. It's really just neoliberalism with a smile.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:51 am

Second Empire of America wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:I'm a big fan of hiring a person based on whether or not a person is qualified for the position.


Then you should be a fan of this law, since it requires corporations to hire qualified women, instead of filling their boards exclusively with men who only got their jobs because of their sex.


*Deep breath in....*

GD was saying that the most qualified person should be in any given position regardless of sex, and that mandating one way or another isn't going to benefit anyone in the long run.

A position that I fully agree with.

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