California passes gender-quota laws

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I'm aware, but their numbers are grossly underestimated.

So?

Let's create another thread for this topic; I don't want to cause a full fledged threadjack.

[Dahon]

... this is mindlessly stupid. Stop.

[Liriena]

If we can make jokes about Carthage and the Crusades, we can make jokes about the gulag.

Speaking of which... Marxism-Leninism-Pinguism will make Stalin look like an ancap.

Yeah, except that if you made the same joke from the other side of the political scale it would be rightly viewed as disgusting. It's the ideology you all share that was the operating force behind far left atrocities. This is the far left equivalent of Fascists cracking jokes about the holocaust.

Not quite, since I didn't make the joke as an unironic Stalinist and I didn't make the joke while unironically fantasizing about concentration camps and executions for board room members. You projected your own idea of what we were talking about onto our words.

[Scomagia]

Yeah, except that if you made the same joke from the other side of the political scale it would be rightly viewed as disgusting. It's the ideology you all share that was the operating force behind far left atrocities. This is the far left equivalent of Fascists cracking jokes about the holocaust.

Not quite, since I didn't make the joke as an unironic Stalinist and I didn't make the joke while unironically fantasizing about concentration camps and executions for board room members. You projected your own idea of what we were talking about onto our words.

Purge has a very particular meaning in this context, one with which you are obviously familiar. Whether you are a Stalinist or not is utterly irrelevant. It's s like a Fascist saying holocaust jokes are totally fine because he isn't a National Socialist.

Anyway, how about those quotas?

[The Batorys]

I think board rooms should be purged and their assets seized by the people.

Let us all follow the great example of Venezuela.

Said nothing about having a single-export based economy, which is required for Venezuela emulation.

2/10.

[The Batorys]

It's interesting that talk of "purging" boardrooms is met with back slaps from some posters, despite the historical context between that word and far-left atrocities. Apparently mass murder is amusing if it's based on class.

Yes, it's pretty hilarious.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

So it's not a "no true scotsman" so much as it is different schools of thought having different definitions for similar words.

Good argument, though I strongly disagree.

Now back to the topic at hand. I think gender quotas, no matter how they're applied, is an example government overstepping it's bounds.

[The Batorys]

It's interesting that talk of "purging" boardrooms is met with back slaps from some posters, despite the historical context between that word and far-left atrocities. Apparently mass murder is amusing if it's based on class.

It's unfortunate, but true. It appears the far-left has learned nothing from the Soviet Union.

Sure we have. Target the board rooms, not your fellow comrades. Obviously.

[The Batorys]

If we can make jokes about Carthage and the Crusades, we can make jokes about the gulag.

Speaking of which... Marxism-Leninism-Pinguism will make Stalin look like an ancap.

Yeah, except that if you made the same joke from the other side of the political scale it would be rightly viewed as disgusting. It's the ideology you all share that was the operating force behind far left atrocities. This is the far left equivalent of Fascists cracking jokes about the holocaust.

The victims of the holocaust were largely innocent.

Boards of corporations are not.

[The Batorys]

It's interesting that talk of "purging" boardrooms is met with back slaps from some posters, despite the historical context between that word and far-left atrocities. Apparently mass murder is amusing if it's based on class.

If we can make jokes about Carthage and the Crusades, we can make jokes about the gulag.

Speaking of which... Marxism-Leninism-Pinguism will make Stalin look like an ancap.

Indeed.

People make jokes about the crusades, the inquisition, etc.


I don't actually think we should line up every corporate board room member against a wall and execute them in a hail of gunfire.

Or do I?

[The Batorys]

So?

Let's create another thread for this topic; I don't want to cause a full fledged threadjack.

No, that would be allowing you to take ownership as OP.

Fuck that.

[Scomagia]

So it's not a "no true scotsman" so much as it is different schools of thought having different definitions for similar words.

Good argument, though I strongly disagree.

Now back to the topic at hand. I think gender quotas, no matter how they're applied, is an example government overstepping it's bounds.

Quotas are a bad solution. There are a lot of factors unrelated to discrimination that might compound to make a profession have gender disparities. Quotas don't affect those factors at all. Anti discrimination laws do a lot more good without the intrusion.

[The Batorys]

Yeah, except that if you made the same joke from the other side of the political scale it would be rightly viewed as disgusting. It's the ideology you all share that was the operating force behind far left atrocities. This is the far left equivalent of Fascists cracking jokes about the holocaust.

Not quite, since I didn't make the joke as an unironic Stalinist and I didn't make the joke while unironically fantasizing about concentration camps and executions for board room members. You projected your own idea of what we were talking about onto our words.

Indeed.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Good argument, though I strongly disagree.

Now back to the topic at hand. I think gender quotas, no matter how they're applied, is an example government overstepping it's bounds.

Quotas are a bad solution. There are a lot of factors unrelated to discrimination that might compound to make a profession have gender disparities. Quotas don't affect those factors at all. Anti discrimination laws do a lot more good without the intrusion.

Agreed.

[Costa Fierro]

Well at least Jerry didn't foreshadow this by suggesting that "old white men should step aside" like our Minister of Women did. But she's off having a baby so all is well until she returns.

I disapproved of our government's move to force gender "equality" in the corporate sphere, and I'll oppose this. For one thing, few women in the corporate sector are of the mindset that allows them to demonstrate the hard work and the commitment necessary in order to progress up the corporate ladder, as men currently have to. They shouldn't be prohibited from becoming corporate board members, but they shouldn't be selected based purely on their genitalia. Which brings me to the second point: what kind of woman do we want on these corporate boards? One who felt entitled enough to the position without putting in the work? Or one that knows the company inside and out and has dedicated herself to it? I'd take the latter over the former any day of the week.

And finally, simply putting women on boards as a token measure, like any form of "positive discrimination", completely removes the sense of accomplishment those people selected experience, that sense of pride that all that hard work and dedication paid off. In addition, this doesn't address the underlying issues as to why so many women are left out of corporate boards, and it doesn't really fix the problem, it only makes one sex privileged.

[Khataiy]

Stupid

[Dreshand]

Yeah, who thought of this. There is no place in the known world that this will help

[Great Minarchistan]

When are we going to have mandatory quotas for women to fill the lowest skill jobs, which are occupied by men on its vast majority?

Absolute hypocrisy. Women keep complaining about the glass ceiling but ignore the glass floor.

[San Marlindo]

If the new legislation mandates that quotas be established over the individualized consideration of board members based on merit and if it also is justified by th state on the grounds of combating non-specific societal discrimination (as indeed many of the posters in this thread seem to imply), it is unconstitutional. That was the crux of UC vs Bakke. Hopefully the Supreme Court will strike it down when the inevitable lawsuits ensue.

Taking into account one's race, gender, etc as one factor among many in their appointment to xxx position is constitutional.

Appointing them purely on the basis of their race or gender without citing a need to redress a case specific act of past discrimination is not.

[The Caleshan Valkyrie]

I don't see a problem with it. If the studies are correct, it might actually help those companies in the long run to have at least one woman in the board room.

Still having a hard time figuring how one woman in a board room is such an imposition.

[Great Minarchistan]

I don't see a problem with it. If the studies are correct, it might actually help those companies in the long run to have at least one woman in the board room.

Still having a hard time figuring how one woman in a board room is such an imposition.

Because men in the higher IQ corner (not sure about EQ that defines professional success better, although iirc there was a study that shows IQ correlated with EQ) outnumber women at a 3:1 or 4:1 ratio. Given that most companies dont have a board of members large enough, thats p unfair for businesses. Nonetheless, putting women on a chair because of their gender rather than their specialization is yet again a major flaw.

[San Marlindo]

I don't see a problem with it. If the studies are correct, it might actually help those companies in the long run to have at least one woman in the board room.

Still having a hard time figuring how one woman in a board room is such an imposition.

Because in the US mandating the presence of women in the boardroom for no other reason than their sex as part of a deliberate effort to combat societal discrimination is unconstitutional. If that's not the case here and the law is being misrepresented in some form, then that may not be so. But that's the impression I received from reading the other comments here.

[Mystic Warriors]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/09/30/california-law-sets-gender-quotas-corporate-boardrooms/1482883002/

California’s finally hit that next level of liberalism, government interference in business to ensure equality. Now, this is obviously a major win for the SJW lobby, not so much for anyone already on those boards. Beyond the normal criticism of “sexism!”, which I think someone else can handle much better than me, I think this sets a dangerous precedent. Seriously Jerry Brown, what were you thinking?

I get really tired of people using Liberalism likes a problem. And trying to fix inequality is not a bad thing.

[Loben]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/09/30/california-law-sets-gender-quotas-corporate-boardrooms/1482883002/

California’s finally hit that next level of liberalism, government interference in business to ensure equality. Now, this is obviously a major win for the SJW lobby, not so much for anyone already on those boards. Beyond the normal criticism of “sexism!”, which I think someone else can handle much better than me, I think this sets a dangerous precedent. Seriously Jerry Brown, what were you thinking?

I get really tired of people using Liberalism likes a problem. And trying to fix inequality is not a bad thing.

how is this fixing apparent inequality?

[Mystic Warriors]

I get really tired of people using Liberalism likes a problem. And trying to fix inequality is not a bad thing.

how is this fixing apparent inequality?

So having no women on a board of directors is not inequality?