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Postby Sokolovra » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:21 am

Ifreann wrote:
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Well that already happens in our "Secular democracies"

Ireland hasn't sent anyone to jail for blasphemy ever.


But plenty of other Western democracies have. But it seems to only apply if you insult Muslims or The Chosen People.

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:22 am



Pretty sure Tommy Robinson was jailed for attempting to deny individuals a fair trial, not for insulting Islam.

"Man who confronted Muslim woman to 'explain' Brussels attacks arrested"

Not seeing where he insulted Islam as a religion so much as was being a racist.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:32 am

Sokolovra wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Ireland hasn't sent anyone to jail for blasphemy ever.


But plenty of other Western democracies have. But it seems to only apply if you insult Muslims or The Chosen People.

So...you want us to keep our blasphemy law and start locking people up?
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Postby Sokolovra » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:38 am

Ifreann wrote:
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But plenty of other Western democracies have. But it seems to only apply if you insult Muslims or The Chosen People.

So...you want us to keep our blasphemy law and start locking people up?


The point i am trying to make is that Blasphemy laws and anti-hate speech laws seem to only apply if you are insulting Muslims and Jews. This blasphemy law that is being repealed will mean it is no longer viable to prosecute someone for insulting Christianity or Christians, but no doubt there will be some anti-hate speech laws to prosecute those who insult Muslims and Jews.

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:45 am

Sokolovra wrote:
Ifreann wrote:So...you want us to keep our blasphemy law and start locking people up?

The point i am trying to make is that Blasphemy laws and anti-hate speech laws seem to only apply if you are insulting Muslims and Jews. This blasphemy law that is being repealed will mean it is no longer viable to prosecute someone for insulting Christianity or Christians, but no doubt there will be some anti-hate speech laws to prosecute those who insult Muslims and Jews.

Given the swastika in your flag, it is clear that you are in favor of hate speech.


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Postby Vassenor » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:47 am

Sokolovra wrote:
Ifreann wrote:So...you want us to keep our blasphemy law and start locking people up?


The point i am trying to make is that Blasphemy laws and anti-hate speech laws seem to only apply if you are insulting Muslims and Jews. This blasphemy law that is being repealed will mean it is no longer viable to prosecute someone for insulting Christianity or Christians, but no doubt there will be some anti-hate speech laws to prosecute those who insult Muslims and Jews.


So basically "it's no longer acceptable to be racist and I don't like that"?
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Postby Pope Joan » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:20 am

Covering up for pedophile priests is a blasphemy

ans so are the abuses of the so-called Catholic Orphanages
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:36 am

As an Irish-American, I support the repeal of all Blasphemy laws in my ancestral homeland. In fact, all impediments to freedom of speech should be repealed, except in cases of direct threats of violence or outright libel.

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:41 am

Sokolovra wrote:
Ifreann wrote:So...you want us to keep our blasphemy law and start locking people up?


The point i am trying to make is that Blasphemy laws and anti-hate speech laws seem to only apply if you are insulting Muslims and Jews. This blasphemy law that is being repealed will mean it is no longer viable to prosecute someone for insulting Christianity or Christians, but no doubt there will be some anti-hate speech laws to prosecute those who insult Muslims and Jews.

So you do want us to keep our blasphemy law and start locking people up...but only if they blaspheme against Christianity?
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:45 am

Sokolovra wrote:Ireland is turning into another shithole... First the legitimization of Homosexuality, then abortion, and now this....

Nothing wrong with gay people, nothing wrong with giving women the right to abortion safely at home instead of having to go elsewhere, and there is nothing wrong with getting rid of retarded outdated blasphemy laws. So no ireland is doing fine actually, despite some of the actual real problems it has such as issues with housing.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:31 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Sokolovra wrote:Ireland is turning into another shithole... First the legitimization of Homosexuality, then abortion, and now this....

Nothing wrong with gay people, nothing wrong with giving women the right to abortion safely at home instead of having to go elsewhere, and there is nothing wrong with getting rid of retarded outdated blasphemy laws. So no ireland is doing fine actually, despite some of the actual real problems it has such as issues with housing.

The difference between you and the person you are disagreeing with is that you are a decent human being, while he prominently displays a swastika in his flag. Sure, it probably ain't the kind of swastika that is prohibited according to the rules, but it's quite telling.


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Postby Sokolovra » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:27 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Nothing wrong with gay people, nothing wrong with giving women the right to abortion safely at home instead of having to go elsewhere, and there is nothing wrong with getting rid of retarded outdated blasphemy laws. So no ireland is doing fine actually, despite some of the actual real problems it has such as issues with housing.

The difference between you and the person you are disagreeing with is that you are a decent human being, while he prominently displays a swastika in his flag. Sure, it probably ain't the kind of swastika that is prohibited according to the rules, but it's quite telling.


You literally have an Arrow Cross, which is no better than the Kolovrat.

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:32 am

Sokolovra wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:The difference between you and the person you are disagreeing with is that you are a decent human being, while he prominently displays a swastika in his flag. Sure, it probably ain't the kind of swastika that is prohibited according to the rules, but it's quite telling.


You literally have an Arrow Cross, which is no better than the Kolovrat.


Pretty sure that's the Eight-pointed star of Chaos, not an Arrow Cross.
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Postby Sokolovra » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:33 am

Vassenor wrote:
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You literally have an Arrow Cross, which is no better than the Kolovrat.


Pretty sure that's the Eight-pointed star of Chaos, not an Arrow Cross.


I stand corrected on that. But what is actually wrong with having a Kolovrat?

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:37 am

Sokolovra wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:The difference between you and the person you are disagreeing with is that you are a decent human being, while he prominently displays a swastika in his flag. Sure, it probably ain't the kind of swastika that is prohibited according to the rules, but it's quite telling.


You literally have an Arrow Cross, which is no better than the Kolovrat.

Thats the eight pointed star of chaos from Warhammer 40k.

Sokolovra wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Pretty sure that's the Eight-pointed star of Chaos, not an Arrow Cross.


I stand corrected on that. But what is actually wrong with having a Kolovrat?
Its a variation of the swastika and depends entirely on the context and use of it. Many people dont like it as its used by ultra nationalist or neo nazi groups.
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Postby Trump-Pence » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:38 am

"I mean, there are a lot of different versions of blasphemy, and it really depends on what you think of the word," stutters the Minister of Foreign Affairs, holding two beautiful women by his side when reporters started pursuing him about it "sure uh, some people deserve to pay for blasphemy, but don't we have repentance for that?...[Blashpemy], it just doesn't make sense"

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Postby Sokolovra » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:38 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Sokolovra wrote:
You literally have an Arrow Cross, which is no better than the Kolovrat.

Thats the eight pointed star of chaos from Warhammer 40k.

Sokolovra wrote:
I stand corrected on that. But what is actually wrong with having a Kolovrat?
Its a variation of the swastika and depends entirely on the context and use of it. Many people dont like it as its used by ultra nationalist or neo nazi groups and would be a reason why people dont like it.


Just for the record it is being used as a symbol of Pan-Slavism, like how Jains and Hindus use the Swastika for their religion.

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:40 am

Trump-Pence wrote:"I mean, there are a lot of different versions of blasphemy, and it really depends on what you think of the word," stutters the Minister of Foreign Affairs, holding two beautiful women by his side when reporters started pursuing him about it "sure uh, some people deserve to pay for blasphemy, but don't we have repentance for that?...[Blashpemy], it just doesn't make sense"


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