Irish Blasphemy Referendum 2018

[Geneviev]

I tried to explain why. Because people who don't follow their religion's laws need to do that because religion is the most important thing.

Ireland's blasphemy law is not even intended to force people to abide by the rules of their own religion.

It should be.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Ireland's blasphemy law is not even intended to force people to abide by the rules of their own religion.

It should be.

Nope.avi

[Ifreann]

Ireland's blasphemy law is not even intended to force people to abide by the rules of their own religion.

It should be.

It's not. It never was. That is not even an option. It's a referendum, we can vote Yes or No, that's it.

[The New California Republic]

Ireland's blasphemy law is not even intended to force people to abide by the rules of their own religion.

It should be.

Fuck that. Enforcing religious belief through criminalizing lapses in abiding by religious tenets is just monstrous. Belief enforced by pressure from a boot on one's neck is no true belief at all.

[Thermodolia]

Wow, you sure love to parrot that phrase. It almost makes me think you dislike secularism. How does secularism hurt you?

It forces me to disobey Allah SWT, which is a big deal for religious people.

Sucks for you. Move to Iran or SA if you want a theocracy

I can think of lots of examples of how a theocracy would repress my rights

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=el- ... /id=677140

Your NS nation doesn’t mean anything.

[The Huskar Social Union]

It forces me to disobey Allah SWT, which is a big deal for religious people.

Sucks for you. Move to Iran or SA if you want a theocracy

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=el- ... /id=677140

Your NS nation doesn’t mean anything.

Clearly his NS nation would work exactly as how he would imagine it in real life with no problems whatsoever and it would be perfect.

Obviously.

[Thermodolia]

Well you're not supposed to force non-Muslims into Al-Islam, so I agree.

So then there's no need to establish a theocracy to enforce your religious beliefs, especially in nations where the majority have no desire for it.

Honestly all that would do is create a massive amount of Atheists who would be militantly anti-religion.

[Thermodolia]

So then there's no need to establish a theocracy to enforce your religious beliefs, especially in nations where the majority have no desire for it.

I said you can't on non-Muslims. Muslims, yes.

Your idealism isn’t reality

Then your mosque can handle whether you're being obedient to your beliefs or not, you don't need your own special religious court.

That's false. If my masjid and other masjid practiced full Shari'ah, we'd be in jail.

Sucks for you.

[The Free Joy State]

Ireland's blasphemy law is not even intended to force people to abide by the rules of their own religion.

It should be.

No.

Because then people could be punished if they decided they didn't believe anymore (apostasy is an offence in many religions). So no. No country's business should ever be to force or even encourage people to follow their faith.

[Thermodolia]

The idea is that other people won't be forced to follow anything they don't want to.

And that they would be enforced to live by their religion.

What if a sect of my religion is more liberal? What then? Which sect gets to dictate who is in the wrong?

[Ifreann]

So then there's no need to establish a theocracy to enforce your religious beliefs, especially in nations where the majority have no desire for it.

Honestly all that would do is create a massive amount of Atheists who would be militantly anti-religion.

Nah man, convert to Discordianism. It's a chaos based religion that holds that every man, woman, and child on Earth is a =POPE=, and as such are all authorised to completely rework the Discordian faith in any way they see fit.

Make the government try to enforce rules that you can change on the fly.

[Thermodolia]

Ireland's blasphemy law is not even intended to force people to abide by the rules of their own religion.

It should be.

You want militant anti-theists? That’s how you get militant anti-theists

[A m e n r i a]

I said you can't on non-Muslims. Muslims, yes.

Your idealism isn’t reality

It is. It's very real. You can punish a Muslim for drinking but not a Christian, since it's not against their religion. Check out Al Kafirun in the Quran.

[Ifreann]

Your idealism isn’t reality

It is. It's very real. You can punish a Muslim for drinking but not a Christian.

Not in Ireland.

[Thermodolia]

Honestly all that would do is create a massive amount of Atheists who would be militantly anti-religion.

Nah man, convert to Discordianism. It's a chaos based religion that holds that every man, woman, and child on Earth is a =POPE=, and as such are all authorised to completely rework the Discordian faith in any way they see fit.

Make the government try to enforce rules that you can change on the fly.

And then there’s iffy

[Thermodolia]

Your idealism isn’t reality

It is. It's very real. You can punish a Muslim for drinking but not a Christian, since it's not against their religion. Check out Al Kafirun in the Quran.

Right.... That’s why Iran doesn’t punish Christians.... oh wait.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Your idealism isn’t reality

It is. It's very real. You can punish a Muslim for drinking but not a Christian, since it's not against their religion. Check out Al Kafirun in the Quran.

But what stops soon one from breaking religious law and when they are caught claiming they weren’t really religious?

[Internationalist Bastard]

It is. It's very real. You can punish a Muslim for drinking but not a Christian, since it's not against their religion. Check out Al Kafirun in the Quran.

Right.... That’s why Iran doesn’t punish Christians.... oh wait.

I’ll take Death or Sex Change for 500 Alex

[A m e n r i a]

It is. It's very real. You can punish a Muslim for drinking but not a Christian.

Not in Ireland.

I meant in the hypothetical situation of a religious Muslim -governed nation. Sorry for the misunderstanding. So it doesn't work the same way in Christianity?

It is. It's very real. You can punish a Muslim for drinking but not a Christian, since it's not against their religion. Check out Al Kafirun in the Quran.

But what stops soon one from breaking religious law and when they are caught claiming they weren’t really religious?

Your ID card.

It is. It's very real. You can punish a Muslim for drinking but not a Christian, since it's not against their religion. Check out Al Kafirun in the Quran.

Right.... That’s why Iran doesn’t punish Christians.... oh wait.

Either the ones being punished did something so horrible like murder or the Iranian government is doing it wrong.

[Ifreann]

Not in Ireland.

I meant in the hypothetical situation of a religious Muslim -governed nation. Sorry for the misunderstanding. So it doesn't work the same way in Christianity?

It doesn't work that way in 21st century secular republics.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Not in Ireland.

I meant in the hypothetical situation of a religious Muslim -governed nation. Sorry for the misunderstanding. So it doesn't work the same way in Christianity?

Well my Catholic upbringing said that you sinned, you confessed, a preist gave you penance like Hail Marys or donating and then that was it.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Not in Ireland.

I meant in the hypothetical situation of a religious Muslim -governed nation. Sorry for the misunderstanding. So it doesn't work the same way in Christianity?

But what stops soon one from breaking religious law and when they are caught claiming they weren’t really religious?

Your ID card.

Right.... That’s why Iran doesn’t punish Christians.... oh wait.

Either the ones being punished did something so horrible like murder or the Iranian government is doing it wrong.

So what’s the process for someone genuinely leaving the faith?

[The Free Joy State]

Nah man, convert to Discordianism. It's a chaos based religion that holds that every man, woman, and child on Earth is a =POPE=, and as such are all authorised to completely rework the Discordian faith in any way they see fit.

Make the government try to enforce rules that you can change on the fly.

And then there’s iffy

Discordiansim, atheism, Pastafarianism, Jediism... God knows I'd declare myself as belonging to literally anything but Christianity, in the unlikely event I had to follow every law in the Bible.

I suspect many, many other people -- of all religions -- woild do the same.

[Greate Boston]

It is. It's very real. You can punish a Muslim for drinking but not a Christian, since it's not against their religion. Check out Al Kafirun in the Quran.

Right.... That’s why Iran doesn’t punish Christians.... oh wait.

*coughs*
Being an Atheist is literally a crime (can and often does get you executed),
Being a Baha'i is almost like being a Jew in Pre-Concentration Camps Nazi Germany,
Being a Jew is like being a Jew in Pre-Concentration Camps Nazi Germany,
There was a 8 months long debate in the Guardian Assembly of Iran, recently (literally last year) on "can a Zoroastrian represent Zoroastrians in the Islamic Assembly of Iran?" (The answer, almost a year after the election in question, was yes. The Zoroastrian in question still isn't allowed in the I.A.I.).
And these are the recognized religions. (Well, apart from Baha'is, which aren't really recognized as a minority religion either). Don't even get me started on the non-recognized religions.

[Ifreann]

There's a theocracy thread, could this one maybe just be about the blasphemy referendum.