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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:02 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:I understand that, still doesnt invalidate my point.

Moral authority? Do you seriously believe that religion, at best a supernaturalist ideology based upon a hodgepodge of ancient myths creatively reinterpreted for power and profit, is the best source for that?


the issue is more about belief than source. moral authority only exists when people believe that authority exists whether it is the roman catholic church or the mighty Favog . if you dont believe in the authority, the defiance of it just seems ... so much lesser.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:04 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:Moral authority? Do you seriously believe that religion, at best a supernaturalist ideology based upon a hodgepodge of ancient myths creatively reinterpreted for power and profit, is the best source for that?

the issue is more about belief than source. the great phvad moral authority only exists when people believe that authority exists whether it is the roman catholic church or the mighty Favog . if you dont believe in the authority, the defiance of it just seems ... so much lesser.

This is not the Bronze Age anymore.


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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:06 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:the issue is more about belief than source. the great phvad moral authority only exists when people believe that authority exists whether it is the roman catholic church or the mighty Favog . if you dont believe in the authority, the defiance of it just seems ... so much lesser.

This is not the Bronze Age anymore.

unfortunately no.

no more does god give hemorrhoids to his enemy's like in the good old days
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:10 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:This is not the Bronze Age anymore.

unfortunately no.

no more does god give hemorrhoids to his enemy's like in the good old days

Do not attribute to God what can be perfectly explained by logic.


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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:37 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:unfortunately no.

no more does god give hemorrhoids to his enemy's like in the good old days

Do not attribute to God what can be perfectly explained by logic.

an entire people getting hemorrhoids at the same time ?
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:54 am

Blasphemy law is out of here which is unsurprising but yeoooo fuck off you outdated bollocks ye

Ireland has voted to remove blasphemy as an offence from the country’s constitution.

In a referendum, 64.8 per cent of voters were in favour of changing the law, with 35.1 per cent supporting the status quo.

The result was largely expected, as the article on blasphemy in the constitution is generally agreed to be outdated and obsolete.
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Postby Irish Laren » Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:58 am

I think the Blasphemy law is a good thing
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:59 am

Irish Laren wrote:I think the Blasphemy law is a good thing

Well its gone.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:42 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Irish Laren wrote:I think the Blasphemy law is a good thing

Well its gone.

Any God needing human laws and enforcement in order to be able to have authority in this world isn't much of a God anyway.


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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:47 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Well its gone.

Any God needing human laws and enforcement in order to be able to have authority in this world isn't much of a God anyway.
Yup
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:00 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Irish Laren wrote:I think the Blasphemy law is a good thing

Well its gone.


Back to the middle ages where it belongs.
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Postby The Grene Knyght » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:12 am

I believe actually, that blasphemy will still be illegal until the law itself is repealed. Only the constitutional imperative that we must have such a law was repealed. Not that it really matters, because this whole thing was a PR stunt about a piece of legislation that has no material effect on the lives of the Irish people, so that the government could appear #progressive.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:23 am

The Grene Knyght wrote:I believe actually, that blasphemy will still be illegal until the law itself is repealed. Only the constitutional imperative that we must have such a law was repealed. Not that it really matters, because this whole thing was a PR stunt about a piece of legislation that has no material effect on the lives of the Irish people, so that the government could appear #progressive.

yeah that is true, but when i said its gone, i meant that "its on its way out, its done", they just need to get around to it now with the legal work.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:35 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
The Grene Knyght wrote:I believe actually, that blasphemy will still be illegal until the law itself is repealed. Only the constitutional imperative that we must have such a law was repealed. Not that it really matters, because this whole thing was a PR stunt about a piece of legislation that has no material effect on the lives of the Irish people, so that the government could appear #progressive.

yeah that is true, but when i said its gone, i meant that "its on its way out, its done", they just need to get around to it now with the legal work.

They got the people's mandate for it and everything.


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Postby Andsed » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:04 am

Well good for Ireland Blasphemy is another outdated religious law that really should have been removed by now. Granted seeing as it was not enforced that well I can see why it was left alone for so long but still yay Ireland.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:51 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Blasphemy law is out of here which is unsurprising but yeoooo fuck off you outdated bollocks ye

Ireland has voted to remove blasphemy as an offence from the country’s constitution.

In a referendum, 64.8 per cent of voters were in favour of changing the law, with 35.1 per cent supporting the status quo.

The result was largely expected, as the article on blasphemy in the constitution is generally agreed to be outdated and obsolete.

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Postby Sokolovra » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:09 am

Ireland is turning into another shithole... First the legitimization of Homosexuality, then abortion, and now this....

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:11 am

Sokolovra wrote:Ireland is turning into another shithole... First the legitimization of Homosexuality, then abortion, and now this....


Oh, so you want people to be able to send people who insult Islam to jail?
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Postby Andsed » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:12 am

Sokolovra wrote:Ireland is turning into another shithole... First the legitimization of Homosexuality, then abortion, and now this....

How exactly is giving homosexuals rights, legalizing abortion, and getting rid of a outdated law that was not even being enforced turning Ireland onto a "shithole"?
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Postby Sokolovra » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:12 am

Vassenor wrote:
Sokolovra wrote:Ireland is turning into another shithole... First the legitimization of Homosexuality, then abortion, and now this....


Oh, so you want people to be able to send people who insult Islam to jail?


Well that already happens in our "Secular democracies"

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:13 am

Sokolovra wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Oh, so you want people to be able to send people who insult Islam to jail?


Well that already happens in our "Secular democracies"


Oh really? Show us then.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:13 am

Sokolovra wrote:Ireland is turning into another shithole... First the legitimization of Homosexuality, then abortion, and now this....

We're also nice to trans people. :)
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:17 am

Ifreann wrote:
Sokolovra wrote:Ireland is turning into another shithole... First the legitimization of Homosexuality, then abortion, and now this....

We're also nice to trans people. :)

Given how Sokolovra bases his personal morality upon the genocidal cadaver discipline of the Third Reich, I can only say that I am glad that he is disappointed. It means the world is improving.


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Postby Ifreann » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:19 am

Sokolovra wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Oh, so you want people to be able to send people who insult Islam to jail?


Well that already happens in our "Secular democracies"

Ireland hasn't sent anyone to jail for blasphemy ever.
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