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El-Amin Caliphate
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:45 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Well you're not supposed to force non-Muslims into Al-Islam, so I agree.

So then there's no need to establish a theocracy to enforce your religious beliefs, especially in nations where the majority have no desire for it.

I said you can't on non-Muslims. Muslims, yes.
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Then your mosque can handle whether you're being obedient to your beliefs or not, you don't need your own special religious court.

That's false. If my masjid and other masjid practiced full Shari'ah, we'd be in jail.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:45 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Genivaria wrote:So we're back to your beliefs being insecure.

Wrong.

Then why do you need Sharia courts exactly?

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:46 pm

Imma make a thread for this.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:46 pm

Genivaria wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Wrong.

Then why do you need Sharia courts exactly?

Allah SWT ordered them to be place for the Ummah.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:46 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:So then there's no need to establish a theocracy to enforce your religious beliefs, especially in nations where the majority have no desire for it.

I said you can't on non-Muslims. Muslims, yes.
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Then your mosque can handle whether you're being obedient to your beliefs or not, you don't need your own special religious court.

That's false. If my masjid and other masjid practiced full Shari'ah, we'd be in jail.

I said you can't on non-Muslims. Muslims, yes.

Muslims have the right to live the way they want like anyone else, your weird fetish with only controlling the lives of Muslims makes no difference.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:47 pm

Genivaria wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I said you can't on non-Muslims. Muslims, yes.

That's false. If my masjid and other masjid practiced full Shari'ah, we'd be in jail.

I said you can't on non-Muslims. Muslims, yes.

Muslims have the right to live the way they want like anyone else, your weird fetish with only controlling the lives of Muslims makes no difference.

I don't have a fetish.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:48 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Then why do you need Sharia courts exactly?

Allah SWT ordered them to be place for the Ummah.

I'd ask for some actual evidence but I suspect that you'd just try to retreat to the IDT again like always.

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Postby Genivaria » Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:49 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Genivaria wrote:
Muslims have the right to live the way they want like anyone else, your weird fetish with only controlling the lives of Muslims makes no difference.

I don't have a fetish.

Yes you do, a very strange authoritarian urge to enforce your will on fellow Muslims.

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:54 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:So then there's no need to establish a theocracy to enforce your religious beliefs, especially in nations where the majority have no desire for it.

I said you can't on non-Muslims. Muslims, yes.

So what's the need for a theocracy then? Outside of the Middle East, Southeast Asia and North Africa, Muslims are a relatively small minority so establishing an Islamic theocracy in majority non-Muslim western nations wouldn't make any sense.

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Then your mosque can handle whether you're being obedient to your beliefs or not, you don't need your own special religious court.

That's false. If my masjid and other masjid practiced full Shari'ah, we'd be in jail.

Probably because you live in a nation that grants some rights to its citizens that would be violated in that case.
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Postby Aggicificicerous » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:03 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:It forces me to disobey Allah SWT, which is a big deal for religious people.


You can still follow Allah. You just can't force other people to follow Allah. Sounds fine to me.




Stupid idea, as has already been made clear. Anyone can simple claim to be non religious and get out of religious law.

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Postby Geneviev » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:41 pm

Aggicificicerous wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:It forces me to disobey Allah SWT, which is a big deal for religious people.


You can still follow Allah. You just can't force other people to follow Allah. Sounds fine to me.




Stupid idea, as has already been made clear. Anyone can simple claim to be non religious and get out of religious law.

The idea is that other people won't be forced to follow anything they don't want to.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:47 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Aggicificicerous wrote:
You can still follow Allah. You just can't force other people to follow Allah. Sounds fine to me.




Stupid idea, as has already been made clear. Anyone can simple claim to be non religious and get out of religious law.

The idea is that other people won't be forced to follow anything they don't want to.

And that they would be enforced to live by their religion.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:49 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Aggicificicerous wrote:
You can still follow Allah. You just can't force other people to follow Allah. Sounds fine to me.




Stupid idea, as has already been made clear. Anyone can simple claim to be non religious and get out of religious law.

The idea is that other people won't be forced to follow anything they don't want to.

I don't think you understand the concept of forcing, and you still have failed to give a why.
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Postby Aggicificicerous » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:53 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Aggicificicerous wrote:
You can still follow Allah. You just can't force other people to follow Allah. Sounds fine to me.




Stupid idea, as has already been made clear. Anyone can simple claim to be non religious and get out of religious law.

The idea is that other people won't be forced to follow anything they don't want to.


That sounds suspiciously like secularism.

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Postby Genivaria » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:54 pm

Aggicificicerous wrote:
Geneviev wrote:The idea is that other people won't be forced to follow anything they don't want to.


That sounds suspiciously like secularism.

It's bizarre isn't it?

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Postby Aggicificicerous » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:57 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Aggicificicerous wrote:
That sounds suspiciously like secularism.

It's bizarre isn't it?


I'm certainly confused.

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Postby Tadubia » Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:46 pm

I think he just really hates hypocrisy. I don't know why he wants to go so far, but that seems to be the case.

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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:00 am

Tadubia wrote:I think he just really hates hypocrisy. I don't know why he wants to go so far, but that seems to be the case.

...what? :eyebrow:
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:24 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Geneviev wrote:The idea is that other people won't be forced to follow anything they don't want to.

And that they would be enforced to live by their religion.

And that's never going to happen in Ireland.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:26 am

Ifreann wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:And that they would be enforced to live by their religion.

And that's never going to happen in Ireland.

You want that kind of shit hop over to Saudi Arabia and stay there.
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Postby Greate Boston » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:31 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Geneviev wrote:The idea is that other people won't be forced to follow anything they don't want to.

And that they would be enforced to live by their religion.
See, the thing about a theocracy, like the thing about most State-socialist countries, is that you mostly call for them until you live in them, and then you realize what kind of a dumbass you were.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:34 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Ifreann wrote:And that's never going to happen in Ireland.

You want that kind of shit hop over to Saudi Arabia and stay there.

Even Saudi Arabia doesn't enforce every religion. It's just silly.
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Postby Geneviev » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:36 am

Genivaria wrote:
Geneviev wrote:The idea is that other people won't be forced to follow anything they don't want to.

I don't think you understand the concept of forcing, and you still have failed to give a why.

I tried to explain why. Because people who don't follow their religion's laws need to do that because religion is the most important thing.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:38 am

Geneviev wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I don't think you understand the concept of forcing, and you still have failed to give a why.

I tried to explain why. Because people who don't follow their religion's laws need to do that because religion is the most important thing.

Ireland's blasphemy law is not even intended to force people to abide by the rules of their own religion.
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Postby Greate Boston » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:41 am

Geneviev wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I don't think you understand the concept of forcing, and you still have failed to give a why.

I tried to explain why. Because people who don't follow their religion's laws need to do that because religion is the most important thing.

I... I'm not sure if this is ironic or not.
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