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SEC sues Musk for securities fraud

PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:17 am
by Imperium Anglorum
Yesterday, the SEC filed a complaint to the Federal District Court in the Southern District of New York.[1] It argues that

This case involves a series of false and misleading statements made by Elon Musk, the Chief Executive Officer of Tesla, Inc. (“Tesla”), on August 7, 2018, regarding taking Tesla, a publicly traded company, private. Musk’s statements, disseminated via Twitter, falsely indicated that, should he so choose, it was virtually certain that he could take Tesla private at a purchase price that reflected a substantial premium over Tesla stock’s then-current share price, that funding for this multi-billion dollar transaction had been secured, and that the only contingency was a shareholder vote. In truth and in fact, Musk had not even discussed, much less confirmed, key deal terms, including price, with any potential funding source.[2]


And that

Defendant, with scienter, [ed. that is, knowledge of his actions,] in connection with the purchase or sale of securities as set forth above, directly or indirectly made untrue statements of material fact and omitted to state material facts necessary in order to make the statements made, in light of the circumstances under which they were made, not misleading by the use of the means or instrumentalities of interstate commerce, and of the mails, and the facilities of a national securities exchange.

By reason of the foregoing, Defendant violated, and unless restrained and enjoined will continue to violate, Section 10(b) of the Exchange Act, [15 U.S.C. § 78j(b)], and Rule 10b-5 thereunder, [17 C.F.R. § 240.10b-5].[3]

It then asks for a final judgement finding that Musk violated federal securities fraud, restrain him from doing so in the future, pay civil penalties, bar him from serving on any company which is registered with the SEC (e.g. all public companies), etc.[4]

This seems very open and shut to me. SEC argues its case quite clearly. I'm most familiar with the outcome that came from SEC actions in the Theranos case, in which Holmes was ordered to pay penalties, give up all her shares (though, quite different from Tesla in this case), be barred from serving as an officer in any public company, and relinquish voting control of her shares.[5] I'd expect Musk to settle on similar, but more generous, owing to the fact that Tesla is not 100 per cent fraud like Theranos, grounds. Thoughts?

Corroborating coverage can be found here:
– Bloomberg: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... t-jml0ca0m
– CNN Money: https://money.cnn.com/2018/09/27/techno ... index.html
– NY Times: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/27/busi ... tesla.html



Update



[1] Filing can be found here: https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov ... 55.1.0.pdf . Hereinafter referred to as Complaint.
[2] Complaint p 1 para 1
[3] Complaint p 21 para 79
[4] Complaint pp 21–23
[5] https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2018-41

PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:36 am
by Kaggeceria
He can't be sued if he goes to Mars.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:45 am
by Aidannadia
Wait wait… So he didn't directly lie like about profits to increase investment, but instead bragged on Twitter about being able to take Tesla private when he probably couldn't fund it? I know I'm tired but is that really what I'm seeing?

What a fucking stupid way to commit fraud

PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:52 am
by Chestaan
Musk is an arrogant prick that treats his workers like shit. He needs to be taken down several pegs so I hope this ends up succeeding.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:11 am
by Vassenor
Chestaan wrote:Musk is an arrogant prick that treats his workers like shit. He needs to be taken down several pegs so I hope this ends up succeeding.


Not that it will actually make him change his behaviour at all.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:49 am
by Chestaan
Vassenor wrote:
Chestaan wrote:Musk is an arrogant prick that treats his workers like shit. He needs to be taken down several pegs so I hope this ends up succeeding.


Not that it will actually make him change his behaviour at all.


True, but I'll certainly be happy to see him lose his position, even if it will be probably taken over by someone just as bad.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:10 am
by Ethel mermania
Banning from serving on a public board is pretty steep. He is majority shareholder of tesla, and it means he can't take spaceX public.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:31 am
by Ethel mermania
Another article

https://seekingalpha.com/article/420881 ... -elon-musk

The one thing to remember is most enforcement actions are settled before trial.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:27 am
by Trumptonium1
SEC pulled themselves through the mud too by having a big delay. While Musk can be accused of pumping a stock, SEC can easily be seen as making misleading statements causing investors to lose billions. It really isn't like the SEC to do what they did re. Tesla.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:59 am
by Costa Fierro
Aidannadia wrote:Wait wait… So he didn't directly lie like about profits to increase investment, but instead bragged on Twitter about being able to take Tesla private when he probably couldn't fund it? I know I'm tired but is that really what I'm seeing?

What a fucking stupid way to commit fraud


That's Musk in a nutshell.

Ethel mermania wrote:Banning from serving on a public board is pretty steep. He is majority shareholder of tesla, and it means he can't take spaceX public.


Perhaps Tesla might actually turn a profit if he gets booted off the company board.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:11 am
by Ifreann
Another victim of reefer madness!

PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:15 am
by Petrasylvania
Too bad it's not an imprisonable offence, he'd make a nice roomie for Martin Shkreli.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:25 am
by Ethel mermania
Costa Fierro wrote:
Aidannadia wrote:Wait wait… So he didn't directly lie like about profits to increase investment, but instead bragged on Twitter about being able to take Tesla private when he probably couldn't fund it? I know I'm tired but is that really what I'm seeing?

What a fucking stupid way to commit fraud


That's Musk in a nutshell.

Ethel mermania wrote:Banning from serving on a public board is pretty steep. He is majority shareholder of tesla, and it means he can't take spaceX public.


Perhaps Tesla might actually turn a profit if he gets booted off the company board.

Perhaps, even if it leads to a lower share price, by losing musk the chief pitchman for the company.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:42 am
by Thermodolia
Kaggeceria wrote:He can't be sued if he goes to Mars.

I wish he would

PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:46 am
by Mushet
All these threads about Musk, who gives a shit?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:54 am
by Ethel mermania
Mushet wrote:All these threads about Musk, who gives a shit?

I do, I find it interesting. Musk is the biggest celeberty businessman since howard hughes

PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:46 am
by Digital Planets
This just in, Elon Musk buys the SEC, drops all cases against him.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:06 am
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha
What? You can't get arrested for securities fraud? Was the movie Wall Street lying to us, or were the laws different in the time period in which it took place?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:13 am
by Imperium Anglorum
Kaggeceria wrote:He can't be sued if he goes to Mars.

Yes we can, he'll just be tried in absentia.

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:What? You can't get arrested for securities fraud? Was the movie Wall Street lying to us, or were the laws different in the time period in which it took place?

SEC sets up securities fraud as a civil complaint lodged by the SEC for breaking Federal laws. It is up to the discretion of the Southern District of NY's US District Attorney to prosecute criminally.

Trumptonium1 wrote:SEC pulled themselves through the mud too by having a big delay. While Musk can be accused of pumping a stock, SEC can easily be seen as making misleading statements causing investors to lose billions. It really isn't like the SEC to do what they did re. Tesla.

SEC is making court filings which are based on documents subpoenaed from Tesla. If they were making false or misleading statements, the attorneys working there would also get disbarred.

Ethel mermania wrote:The one thing to remember is most enforcement actions are settled before trial.

This, 100 per cent. Unless Musk tries to fight this (stupidly, since it appears so open and shut), Musk/Tesla will probably settle. I'd give good odds on Musk settling with the SEC for a significantly-larger-than-normal sum to keep this officerships.

Ethel mermania wrote:Banning from serving on a public board is pretty steep. He is majority shareholder of tesla, and it means he can't take spaceX public.

Doesn't mean he can't still exercise his voting rights. But if he's off, he'll have to rewrite the corporate by-laws to give shareholders power rather than himself, if he wants to keep his oversized influence in the company. But doing so is necessarily pretty risky.

Aidannadia wrote:Wait wait… So he didn't directly lie like about profits to increase investment, but instead bragged on Twitter about being able to take Tesla private when he probably couldn't fund it? I know I'm tired but is that really what I'm seeing?

Certainly is fraud! If you bought Tesla stock in anticipation of the 420 privatisation, you were defrauded. And so were the people who held a short position on the stock.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:00 pm
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha
Imperium Anglorum wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:What? You can't get arrested for securities fraud? Was the movie Wall Street lying to us, or were the laws different in the time period in which it took place?

SEC sets up securities fraud as a civil complaint lodged by the SEC for breaking Federal laws. It is up to the discretion of the Southern District of NY's US District Attorney to prosecute criminally.

Got it; thanks!

As for trying someone in absentia... are the standards different, then, to account for the fact that you're not getting their side of the story during the trial?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:23 pm
by Dooom35796821595
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:SEC sets up securities fraud as a civil complaint lodged by the SEC for breaking Federal laws. It is up to the discretion of the Southern District of NY's US District Attorney to prosecute criminally.

Got it; thanks!

As for trying someone in absentia... are the standards different, then, to account for the fact that you're not getting their side of the story during the trial?


I think their side basically consists of “I’m guilty, that’s why I’m not here.” :lol:

PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:25 pm
by Des-Bal
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Got it; thanks!

As for trying someone in absentia... are the standards different, then, to account for the fact that you're not getting their side of the story during the trial?


There's no different standard of proof. In criminal cases you can't be tried in absentia unless you were present when the trial began and then either refused to be present further or made your continued presence impossible

In civil law the defendant doesn't actually have to be there provided they have an attorney present and they weren't required to appear by notice or subpoena. If they don't show up and neither does their representation it's a default judgement.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:26 pm
by Len Hyet

PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:29 pm
by Lord Dominator
Dude Musk, that's straight up lying and you thought you might get away with it?

Also, nice documentation there IA :clap:

Update

PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:36 pm
by Imperium Anglorum
This was just filed into the Docket by the judge in the case: https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov ... 55.4.0.pdf

ORDERED that counsel
for all parties appear for an initial pretrial conference with the Court on Friday, February 1st,
2019 at 4:00pm in Courtroom 906 of the United States District Court for the Southern District
of New York, Thurgood Marshall U.S. Courthouse at 40 Foley Square, New York, New York.

"The courts take even longer to decide things than the Senate." #prequelmemes.