What was the point of "males make the first move" anyway?

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

To use such a depraved cesspool of a medium as the Internet for dating purposes is bizarre. We're synonymous with debate, because how depraved one is has no bearing on whether or not one's right, but "dating?" That's more dicey. If we're resorting to the Internet, then something went wrong in the real world.

While child support law may make it impractical, one thing I respect about high school dating is that dozens of teenagers are among the same group of people several hours a day and still manage to pick one who just stands out to them.

Those kids grow up with the advantage of a roughly uniform set of social mores. Once you get out of that box, everything goes out the window.

Also: given how much people are glued to their phones in public, I’m more surprised that you’d find the idea of internet socialization (inclusive of dating) to be such insanity. Unless I misread your post.

See the aforementioned point about the Internet being useful for debate. Politics is a major part of our world and the Internet is a major part of politics... to an extent that itself may be a grey area, but makes sense.

I always was surprised guys wound up glued to their phones too. I remember the turn of the century when cellphones were made out to be a girls' thing, but guys are into them too. Do they not realize how much of so-called "online dating" turns out to be scams? Or are they too using it for politics, instead of actually dating? I'm too afraid of how child support law works to date yet, but what's their reason?

[Valentine Z]

I am the Valentine, so I always have to make the first move.

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On a more serious note, no. It's generally seen that way, but I have seen both the guys or the girls making the first move, and everyone's fine with that.

[Page]

It's just an outdated gender norm that can be done away with. Really all gender norms can be done away with.

Who will do this doing away with and where are jobs posted in the social engineering sector?

No social engineering necessary. It's a slow process, but it happens on its own. Look at how gender roles have changed in the last century. It might take hundreds of more years but eventually it will happen.

[Ethel mermania]

I had a long dissertation about social mores and cultural upbringing, then I realized it could be boiled down to:

‘It would be real nice if people just talked to each other.’

Ya’d think asking a person in a bar a couple questions to start things off wouldn’t be a gender specific thing, but if it’s a struggle maybe think about a different approach? Aren’t dating websites getting a bit more traction nowadays?

To use such a depraved cesspool of a medium as the Internet for dating purposes is bizarre. We're synonymous with debate, because how depraved one is has no bearing on whether or not one's right, but "dating?" That's more dicey. If we're resorting to the Internet, then something went wrong in the real world.

While child support law may make it impractical, one thing I respect about high school dating is that dozens of teenagers are among the same group of people several hours a day and still manage to pick one who just stands out to them.

And they switch partners every 25 minutes, which at that age is a good thing.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

To use such a depraved cesspool of a medium as the Internet for dating purposes is bizarre. We're synonymous with debate, because how depraved one is has no bearing on whether or not one's right, but "dating?" That's more dicey. If we're resorting to the Internet, then something went wrong in the real world.

While child support law may make it impractical, one thing I respect about high school dating is that dozens of teenagers are among the same group of people several hours a day and still manage to pick one who just stands out to them.

And they switch partners every 25 minutes, which at that age is a good thing.

More like 25 months. My high school crush was dating her boyfriend from middle school until well into high school. By the time they broke up I wasn't even obsessed enough with her to hear about it anymore.

Sticking to one partner may reduce STD risks, but it doesn't reduce the risk of teen pregnancy.

[Ethel mermania]

Those kids grow up with the advantage of a roughly uniform set of social mores. Once you get out of that box, everything goes out the window.

Also: given how much people are glued to their phones in public, I’m more surprised that you’d find the idea of internet socialization (inclusive of dating) to be such insanity. Unless I misread your post.

See the aforementioned point about the Internet being useful for debate. Politics is a major part of our world and the Internet is a major part of politics... to an extent that itself may be a grey area, but makes sense.

I always was surprised guys wound up glued to their phones too. I remember the turn of the century when cellphones were made out to be a girls' thing, but guys are into them too. Do they not realize how much of so-called "online dating" turns out to be scams? Or are they too using it for politics, instead of actually dating? I'm too afraid of how child support law works to date yet, but what's their reason?

You can date without fucking, just saying

[Salus Maior]

I tried to make the first move once.

I fucked it up royally, on Valentine's Day no less.

I feel that.

[Salus Maior]

It seems more or less like a leftover from the Victorian era. I don't see it as particularly destructive however, and even then it's more or less phasing out.

[Ethel mermania]

And they switch partners every 25 minutes, which at that age is a good thing.

More like 25 months. My high school crush was dating her boyfriend from middle school until well into high school. By the time they broke up I wasn't even obsessed enough with her to hear about it anymore.

Sticking to one partner may reduce STD risks, but it doesn't reduce the risk of teen pregnancy.

Probably increases the risk 9f pregnancy.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

See the aforementioned point about the Internet being useful for debate. Politics is a major part of our world and the Internet is a major part of politics... to an extent that itself may be a grey area, but makes sense.

I always was surprised guys wound up glued to their phones too. I remember the turn of the century when cellphones were made out to be a girls' thing, but guys are into them too. Do they not realize how much of so-called "online dating" turns out to be scams? Or are they too using it for politics, instead of actually dating? I'm too afraid of how child support law works to date yet, but what's their reason?

You can date without fucking, just saying

Teen pregnancy rates suggest otherwise.

[Saiwania]

Teen pregnancy rates suggest otherwise.

If developed countries have aging problems, it might be worthwhile to turn a blind eye to teen pregnancy, at least temporarily?
Let the young breed young (provided they aren't too young) and have them put into marriage like in the good old days. Such as for example, the Medieval era, when the Church was more in charge. When true Chivalry and Godly virtues were alive and well.

[The New California Republic]

To use such a depraved cesspool of a medium as the Internet for dating purposes is bizarre. We're synonymous with debate, because how depraved one is has no bearing on whether or not one's right, but "dating?" That's more dicey. If we're resorting to the Internet, then something went wrong in the real world.

Wow, what a broad fucking brush you have there. Hate to break it to you, but Internet dating doesn't imply anything is wrong in the real world, it's just a way of being more aware of people who are out there than would be possible normally. Think about the practicalities of it for a moment. Using the Internet, I can see people who live in a variety of cities. To do that in real life I would have to visit all those cities personally, and even then there is no guarantee I would see those people, because they might not even be in the places that I am going to on that specific day, or they might be working that day, etc.

I met my BF through Internet dating. I would never have met him otherwise, I guarantee it, just on account of us both living in different cities.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Teen pregnancy rates suggest otherwise.

If developed countries have aging problems, it might be worthwhile to turn a blind eye to teen pregnancy? Let the young breed young and have them put into marriage like in the good old days. Medieval era.

Medieval people didn't need to know the high-school-level physics and chemistry of environmental issues to be informed voters. There weren't exactly enough people back then to cause significant climate change.

If there's a way to reconcile education with teen pregnancy without pushing people into poverty, I'd like to hear it. In the meantime, let's not turn a blind eye. Nothing embitters people to something like having your first experience be a negative one, and that's exactly what having to drop out of high school and spend 18 years in poverty will do.

Meanwhile women who wait until they're older to have kids often wind up having a second or third one.

EDIT: Also, if there really ARE people who WANT teen pregnancy, why guilt-trip teens for having sex in the first place?

[Luziyca]

As a male, I have no fucking idea why we do this.

[Gospel Power]

Because women are emotional and need to open their hearts to other people, when they are sad and all, it's how they are formed, we men are more skeptic to other people, but we make great and the best friendships at the military= warrior Brotherhood, men can and need to say 5 words while women can say 1,000 words, it's biology I guess, I can not see a friend for 2 months, and after those months are over we meet each other like great budds, we respect each other strength and respect that more then just an empty talk about stuff

[Saiwania]

EDIT: Also, if there really ARE people who WANT teen pregnancy, why guilt-trip teens for having sex in the first place?

In my view, it is primarily the parents wanting the boy or girl's nuclear or extended family to pick up more of the tab for child rearing. Neither side wants to get stuck with an equal or majority share of the bill. So it is best to prevent such a situation from occurring until or if every arrangement is agreed to or settled between any two sides.

Most parents are going to want their kid to be let off the hook in terms of any child support obligations. "My daughter was tricked into bed by this rapscallion of a boy" or "My son can't be held to blame, the girl in question is just a harlot!" Those kinds of disputes.

[The New California Republic]

Because women are emotional and need to open their hearts to other people, when they are sad and all, it's how they are formed, we men are more skeptic to other people, but we make great and the best friendships at the military= warrior Brotherhood, men can and need to say 5 words while women can say 1,000 words, it's biology I guess, I can not see a friend for 2 months, and after those months are over we meet each other like great budds, we respect each other strength and respect that more then just an empty talk about stuff

...what? That made no sense...

[Ethel mermania]

You can date without fucking, just saying

Teen pregnancy rates suggest otherwise.

They suggest no such thing. While saying if more couples are fucking = teen pregnancy rates going up, which it doesn't but seems to be the arguement you are making. Teen pregnacy is way down.

https://www.cdc.gov/teenpregnancy/about/index.htm


To go back to your earlier point. The longest HS relationship I had, which spanned 2 months of college was 16 months. Everything else was less than 4 months, and that was maybe 3 other girls. The only one I slept with was the last one.

Sometimes I do miss talking to her.

[The Tomerlands]

Nowadays, it's hard as f*ck for a man to be, well, a man.

Please, your just playing the victim like a feminist would do. Talking about how "oppressed" they are in society despite the overwhelming evidence.

[Ethel mermania]

As a male, I have no fucking idea why we do this.

Biology, which seems to be a dirty word on this site.

[The New California Republic]

The longest HS relationship I had, which spanned 2 months of college was 16 months.

HS?

[Ethel mermania]

The longest HS relationship I had, which spanned 2 months of college was 16 months.

HS?

High school.

[The New California Republic]

HS?

High school.

Ah right. I have seen HS being used to refer to Heterosexual in some contexts.

[Ethel mermania]

High school.

Ah right. I have seen HS being used to refer to Heterosexual in some contexts.

Heh, us old people use the word straight.

[Gospel Power]

Because women are emotional and need to open their hearts to other people, when they are sad and all, it's how they are formed, we men are more skeptic to other people, but we make great and the best friendships at the military= warrior Brotherhood, men can and need to say 5 words while women can say 1,000 words, it's biology I guess, I can not see a friend for 2 months, and after those months are over we meet each other like great budds, we respect each other strength and respect that more then just an empty talk about stuff

...what? That made no sense...

Everything I say makes no sense for you, we think different