What was the point of "males make the first move" anyway?

[Dogmeat]

It still isn't right, though. Early societies were still about equal.

No, even in early societies men were the head of the family.

Tell that to Jigonhsasee.

[West Leas Oros 2]

That's not a natural order, that's a human made order: A social construct, if you will.

It wasn't made by humans though.

Then whom’st’d’ve made it?

[The South Falls]

It still isn't right, though. Early societies were still about equal.

No, even in early societies men were the head of the family.

Evidence, my friend.

[Telconi]

use tinder or match.

Tinder requires someone to have a Facebook and if Facebook was never something someone was into, it is a huge pain in the ass. Don't know if the same is true of Match. I'm more impressed by platforms that're self contained and do their own things, and don't rely on one or more external services in order to function.

You're probably just mad because Tinder keep's matching you with black girls.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

No, even in early societies men were the head of the family.

Evidence, my friend.

I mean, we have a good idea that they were, probably, more equal than unequal based on the fact everyone had to pitch in to survive.

Tho their forms of government favored aggressiveness and dominance over egalitarianism, so they tended to be very despotic because you needed control in order for your community/society to work.

So it wouldn't be much of a stretch that in these societies it was more common for men to be warriors and to defend women because they were a vital biological resource (being able to have kids and all while men couldn't), and this is the "family structure" that made the most sense given the conditions, which indeed put both men and women under unequal roles, at least until the introduction of commerce anyways.

[The South Falls]

Tinder requires someone to have a Facebook and if Facebook was never something someone was into, it is a huge pain in the ass. Don't know if the same is true of Match. I'm more impressed by platforms that're self contained and do their own things, and don't rely on one or more external services in order to function.

You're probably just mad because Tinder keep's matching you with black girls.

"There just aren't enough good white girls on tinder..."
-An alone man

[Geneviev]

It wasn't made by humans though.

Then whom’st’d’ve made it?

God.

No, even in early societies men were the head of the family.

Evidence, my friend.

My world history textbook? This is the best source I could find online.

In ancient civilizations when people just started farming, women were less important for getting food because men hunted and cleared land for agriculture. They usually didn't do much outside of their natural role.

[Dogmeat]

Then whom’st’d’ve made it?

God.

Evidence, my friend.

My world history textbook? This is the best source I could find online.

In ancient civilizations when people just started farming, women were less important for getting food because men hunted and cleared land for agriculture. They usually didn't do much outside of their natural role.

Already agricultural societies, not hunter gatherers. Not humans in the state of nature. And exactly the same sort of people who wrote your book.

[New haven america]

Then whom’st’d’ve made it?

God.

Do we have the original Bible that God transcribed?

[West Leas Oros 2]

Then whom’st’d’ve made it?

God.

Evidence, my friend.

My world history textbook? This is the best source I could find online.

In ancient civilizations when people just started farming, women were less important for getting food because men hunted and cleared land for agriculture. They usually didn't do much outside of their natural role.

And how do you know it’s the “correct religion”?

[Dogmeat]

God.

Do we have the original Bible that God transcribed?

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[Diopolis]

God.


My world history textbook? This is the best source I could find online.

In ancient civilizations when people just started farming, women were less important for getting food because men hunted and cleared land for agriculture. They usually didn't do much outside of their natural role.

Already agricultural societies, not hunter gatherers. Not humans in the state of nature. And exactly the same sort of people who wrote your book.

The order established by God as penalty for Adam's fault, however, is not a hunter-gatherer order.

[Dogmeat]

Already agricultural societies, not hunter gatherers. Not humans in the state of nature. And exactly the same sort of people who wrote your book.

The order established by God as penalty for Adam's fault, however, is not a hunter-gatherer order.

Which just makes the historical account of the Bible wrong.

[Geneviev]

God.


My world history textbook? This is the best source I could find online.

In ancient civilizations when people just started farming, women were less important for getting food because men hunted and cleared land for agriculture. They usually didn't do much outside of their natural role.

Already agricultural societies, not hunter gatherers. Not humans in the state of nature. And exactly the same sort of people who wrote your book.

Hunter-gatherers didn't really have any sort of social structure at all.

[New haven america]

Already agricultural societies, not hunter gatherers. Not humans in the state of nature. And exactly the same sort of people who wrote your book.

The order established by God as penalty for Adam's fault

So all this argument over God's natural order, when in reality it's just another one of his bitchfits.

Wonderful.

[Dogmeat]

Already agricultural societies, not hunter gatherers. Not humans in the state of nature. And exactly the same sort of people who wrote your book.

Hunter-gatherers didn't really have any sort of social structure at all.

Absolutely untrue. You clearly have no knowledge of the subject at all.

[Diopolis]

The order established by God as penalty for Adam's fault, however, is not a hunter-gatherer order.

Which just makes the historical account of the Bible wrong.

No it does not. Somewhere between seven and eight thousand years ago, according to the most reliable estimates, Adam and Eve were cursed to, for Adam:
1) the necessity of work. Hard work would be his lot; he would have to labor in the fields.
2) rebelliousness of those around him- see Cain.
for Eve:
1) dominance by, and dependence on, her husband.
2) labor pains.
for both:
1) diseases, poisons, and such. Even thistles did not exist in the world before the fall, according to the most learned experts.
2) death.
3) life in sin, and diminished capabilities.

[The South Falls]

Then whom’st’d’ve made it?

God.

Evidence, my friend.

My world history textbook? This is the best source I could find online.

In ancient civilizations when people just started farming, women were less important for getting food because men hunted and cleared land for agriculture. They usually didn't do much outside of their natural role.

I meant pre agriculture.

[Dogmeat]

Which just makes the historical account of the Bible wrong.

No it does not. Somewhere between seven and eight thousand years ago, according to the most reliable estimates, Adam and Eve were cursed to, for Adam:
1) the necessity of work. Hard work would be his lot; he would have to labor in the fields.
2) rebelliousness of those around him- see Cain.
for Eve:
1) dominance by, and dependence on, her husband.
2) labor pains.
for both:
1) diseases, poisons, and such. Even thistles did not exist in the world before the fall, according to the most learned experts.
2) death.
3) life in sin, and diminished capabilities.

So you're asserting as historical fact either that humanity began 7 or 8 thousand years ago, or that hunter-gatherer women don't have labor pains.

[New haven america]

No it does not. Somewhere between seven and eight thousand years ago, according to the most reliable estimates, Adam and Eve were cursed to, for Adam:
1) the necessity of work. Hard work would be his lot; he would have to labor in the fields.
2) rebelliousness of those around him- see Cain.
for Eve:
1) dominance by, and dependence on, her husband.
2) labor pains.
for both:
1) diseases, poisons, and such. Even thistles did not exist in the world before the fall, according to the most learned experts.
2) death.
3) life in sin, and diminished capabilities.

So you're asserting as historical fact either that humanity began 7 or 8 thousand years ago, or that hunter-gatherer women don't have labor pains.

Or that hunter gatherers didn't exist and we just became humans with functioning societies.

[The New California Republic]

Which just makes the historical account of the Bible wrong.

No it does not. Somewhere between seven and eight thousand years ago, according to the most reliable estimates, Adam and Eve were cursed to, for Adam...

Stop right there. The world and human civilization are a lot older than that.

[Dogmeat]

So you're asserting as historical fact either that humanity began 7 or 8 thousand years ago, or that hunter-gatherer women don't have labor pains.

Or that hunter gatherers didn't exist and we just became humans with functioning societies.

And then sometime after that, God hit the reset button with a flood, and contemporary historians didn't notice.

[Diopolis]

No it does not. Somewhere between seven and eight thousand years ago, according to the most reliable estimates, Adam and Eve were cursed to, for Adam:
1) the necessity of work. Hard work would be his lot; he would have to labor in the fields.
2) rebelliousness of those around him- see Cain.
for Eve:
1) dominance by, and dependence on, her husband.
2) labor pains.
for both:
1) diseases, poisons, and such. Even thistles did not exist in the world before the fall, according to the most learned experts.
2) death.
3) life in sin, and diminished capabilities.

So you're asserting as historical fact either that humanity began 7 or 8 thousand years ago, or that hunter-gatherer women don't have labor pains.

I am asserting as historical fact that humanity is perhaps 7,500 years old; certainly not much older than 8,000 years.

[Dogmeat]

So you're asserting as historical fact either that humanity began 7 or 8 thousand years ago, or that hunter-gatherer women don't have labor pains.

I am asserting as historical fact that humanity is perhaps 7,500 years old; certainly not much older than 8,000 years.

You are wrong.

[Geneviev]

God.


My world history textbook? This is the best source I could find online.

In ancient civilizations when people just started farming, women were less important for getting food because men hunted and cleared land for agriculture. They usually didn't do much outside of their natural role.

I meant pre agriculture.

In that case they didn't see family as we do now anyways, so it can't really be compared. The father wasn't head of the family because families were different.