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Postby Narinoland » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:25 pm

East Gondwana wrote:[...] women don't have urges to be with men! They chaste and innocent creatures that must be plucked from the shelf by a mature, sensible man! /s

Obviously a lot of these attitudes either no longer exist in many societies or are greatly diluted but the effects of them in social interactions still exist.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLikP6BDH5w


Most of women on my classroom are troublesome when they're on those days, mostly having fights between em, it may be for some guy they just want to have so they can brag about it or the times they don't get something in a philosophy or math related theme they are the ones always bothering, asking for the tests and works to be in couples or group. In fact, there are like 16 females and 5 males, females are divided in their own packs of friends, whilst us men are reluctant to interact between ourselves, in fact, our relationship is awkward-nice since we just try to be in good terms but not to be acquaintances.
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Postby Auzkhia » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:28 pm

Gender roles are absurd and arbitrary, and looks OP felt the pinch of patriarchy.


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I hated being a cis man, or rather pretending to be one, but it's safer to be a man than to be a woman or a non-binary person, tbh.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:33 pm

Uxupox wrote:just take two shots of rum and be done with it.

You've said that before. It still doesn't work.
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Postby Sovaal » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:33 pm

Auzkhia wrote:Gender roles are absurd and arbitrary, and looks OP felt the pinch of patriarchy.


Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Nowadays, it's hard as f*ck for a man to be, well, a man.

I hated being a cis man, or rather pretending to be one, but it's safer to be a man than to be a woman or a non-binary person, tbh.

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Postby New haven america » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:35 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
New haven america wrote:1. Totally agree. I have no idea why some people find it such a hard rule to follow.
2. There are many types of confidence. Specify.
3. You can only get rejected so many times before it stops being worth it.



2. I had a friend of mine who use to hit on women for strictly a one night stand with the basic line of your cute lets fuck, 9 out of 10 times he got slapped, the 10th time he got laid.

3. Confidence in who you are, and what you want.

2. That line of thought may work for ONS' (Just look at Tinder and Grindr), but it gets messier when you actually want a relationship with someone.
3. Specify. You say that, even though that really only applies to interpersonal and social confidence, there are many others that go under the radar or that advice can't be used for.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:41 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Uxupox wrote:just take two shots of rum and be done with it.

You've said that before. It still doesn't work.


Try tequila, make a pineapple margarita served in a pineapple, give it to the girl. Share the drink. See how you do
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:43 pm

New haven america wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:

2. I had a friend of mine who use to hit on women for strictly a one night stand with the basic line of your cute lets fuck, 9 out of 10 times he got slapped, the 10th time he got laid.

3. Confidence in who you are, and what you want.

2. That line of thought may work for ONS' (Just look at Tinder and Grindr), but it gets messier when you actually want a relationship with someone.
3. Specify. You say that, even though that really only applies to interpersonal and social confidence, there are many others that go under the radar or that advice can't be used for.


If you want a relationship you have to be confident. Why would someone want to be with you, if you question why you want to be with yourself?
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Postby New haven america » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:43 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:You've said that before. It still doesn't work.


Try tequila, make a pineapple margarita served in a pineapple, give it to the girl. Share the drink. See how you do

Be careful if you actually want to do anything with said girl while she has alcohol in her system, cause if you're not then that can be a rape charge.
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Postby New haven america » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:46 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
New haven america wrote:2. That line of thought may work for ONS' (Just look at Tinder and Grindr), but it gets messier when you actually want a relationship with someone.
3. Specify. You say that, even though that really only applies to interpersonal and social confidence, there are many others that go under the radar or that advice can't be used for.


1.If you want a relationship you have to be confident. 2.Why would someone want to be with you, if you question why you want to be with yourself?

1. Yet again, what type?
2. That's an example of interpersonal confidence or lack there of, yes.
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Postby Intelist » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:48 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:Honestly i like aggressive women, i find it a turn on.

That said, as long as when the girl says no, you have to respect it. Other than that, most people find confidence is sexy, you want a woman you have to put it out there that you deserve her, yes you will get rejected, but so what.

I can't find these women anywhere.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:49 pm

New haven america wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Try tequila, make a pineapple margarita served in a pineapple, give it to the girl. Share the drink. See how you do

Be careful if you actually want to do anything with said girl while she has alcohol in her system, cause if you're not then that can be a rape charge.


If you go into a relationship worried about a rape charge, I question why you want to be in a relationship in the first place.

Your not looking to get her blackout drunk and fuck her, you are looking to provide a good time to her, and make her want a good time with you again.

If you are really evil, get her black out drunk, take her to her home, put her in bed, don’t do anything and go home, call her the next day to make sure she is ok.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:54 pm

Intelist wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Honestly i like aggressive women, i find it a turn on.

That said, as long as when the girl says no, you have to respect it. Other than that, most people find confidence is sexy, you want a woman you have to put it out there that you deserve her, yes you will get rejected, but so what.

I can't find these women anywhere.


Once in a while you do. It is a lie that women want sex as much as men, that said women still do want sex.
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The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
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The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

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Postby Saiwania » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:02 pm

So far as rape charges go, most men probably have nothing to worry about provided they didn't ejaculate onto the woman or into her vagina. The best legal defense in that scenario is to claim that the sex was consensual. If all evidence available only allows for a "he said, she said" case, with nothing conclusive- chances are high that the man will walk free, or nothing will come of it (asides from ruined reputation). Especially if the locale is conservative and isn't some liberal city that is pro-feminist by default.

Offering to marry a woman sanctifies any fornication that happened (should the woman consent to that), according to many conservative sensibilities.
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Postby Intelist » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:06 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Intelist wrote:I can't find these women anywhere.


Once in a while you do. It is a lie that women want sex as much as men, that said women still do want sex.

It's a lie? are you sure about that?

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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:09 pm

Intelist wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Once in a while you do. It is a lie that women want sex as much as men, that said women still do want sex.

It's a lie? are you sure about that?


When dealing in the social sciences it is always the 80 - 20 rule, But yes i am sure. There are women with incredibly high sex drives, but not in equal numbers to men
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Postby Sovaal » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:15 pm

Saiwania wrote:So far as rape charges go, most men probably have nothing to worry about provided they didn't ejaculate onto the woman or into her vagina. The best legal defense in that scenario is to claim that the sex was consensual. If all evidence available only allows for a "he said, she said" case, with nothing conclusive- chances are high that the man will walk free, or nothing will come of it (asides from ruined reputation). Especially if the locale is conservative and isn't some liberal city that is pro-feminist by default.

Offering to marry a woman sanctifies any fornication that happened (should the woman consent to that), according to many conservative sensibilities.

Yah, in like the deep, deep boonies or Saudi Arabia.
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Postby Sovaal » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:15 pm

Intelist wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Once in a while you do. It is a lie that women want sex as much as men, that said women still do want sex.

It's a lie? are you sure about that?

A great deal of the human sex drive is due to testosterone.
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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
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Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby New haven america » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:22 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
New haven america wrote:Be careful if you actually want to do anything with said girl while she has alcohol in her system, cause if you're not then that can be a rape charge.


1.If you go into a relationship worried about a rape charge, I question why you want to be in a relationship in the first place.

2. Your not looking to get her blackout drunk and fuck her, you are looking to provide a good time to her, and make her want a good time with you again.

If you are really evil, get her black out drunk, take her to her home, put her in bed, don’t do anything and go home, call her the next day to make sure she is ok.

1. Honestly, considering how common it is (And has been throughout the generations) for people to constantly talk or joke about how awful relationships are, I honestly don't understand why we continue with them, tbh...
2. US law doesn't care. Even if a woman is slightly buzzed and has sex with a guy (Who can be just as drunk as they are, or even more-so) it's still considered rape on the guy's part by law. Also, this law only applies to women, drunk men can have sex with sober women and it's considered no problem. Also also, it doesn't account for LGBT people, so yeah...

Yes, it is a stupid law, but it exists nontheless and doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon, so best to be careful.
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Postby New haven america » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:32 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Intelist wrote:It's a lie? are you sure about that?


When dealing in the social sciences it is always the 80 - 20 rule, But yes i am sure. There are women with incredibly high sex drives, but not in equal numbers to men

No, it's just that they tend to be pickier about who they get with, plus, hormones and drugs can mess with sex drives (And considering female birth control is made up mostly of hormones, that doesn't help anything).

It's not hard to see why they'd be pickier, if anything goes wrong they're going to be dealing with the brunt of the consequences (Namely things like infections, physical issues, pregnancy, etc...). Guys get off rather easier all things considered.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:49 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:You've said that before. It still doesn't work.


Try tequila, make a pineapple margarita served in a pineapple, give it to the girl. Share the drink. See how you do

If you're and idiot before alcohol, once you drink alcohol all you become is a drunken idiot.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:50 pm

New haven america wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Try tequila, make a pineapple margarita served in a pineapple, give it to the girl. Share the drink. See how you do

Be careful if you actually want to do anything with said girl while she has alcohol in her system, cause if you're not then that can be a rape charge.

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Postby Sovaal » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:50 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Try tequila, make a pineapple margarita served in a pineapple, give it to the girl. Share the drink. See how you do

If you're and idiot before alcohol, once you drink alcohol all you become is a drunken idiot.

Ah, but at least when you're drunk you don't realise you're an idiot.
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Winston Churchill, 1947.

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Postby Sovaal » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:51 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
New haven america wrote:Be careful if you actually want to do anything with said girl while she has alcohol in her system, cause if you're not then that can be a rape charge.

jesus christ

What? Don't mess around with people who are in a state where they can't consent.
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"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Bakery Hill » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:55 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:jesus christ

What? Don't mess around with people who are in a state where they can't consent.

Yeah of course. But people drink alcohol in social environments, to say you must have a BAC of 0.0 before you do anything is stupid. No one does that. Welcome to the real world.
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Postby New haven america » Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:02 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:jesus christ

What? Don't mess around with people who are in a state where they can't consent.

Some people have trouble with that idea.
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