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Lol, that's like saying it's racist to criticize jazz

I must be the only one to support it here. In this kind of geopolitical environment we can't afford to have Americans indoctrinated in anti-Israeli dogma. Israel shares American values, unlike any other ME country. And whether or not it is stated, anti-Israeli criticism is mostly inspired by anti-semitism which we don't need.

Western-Ukraine wrote:I must be the only one to support it here. In this kind of geopolitical environment we can't afford to have Americans indoctrinated in anti-Israeli dogma. Israel shares American values, unlike any other ME country. And whether or not it is stated, anti-Israeli criticism is mostly inspired by anti-semitism which we don't need.

I tacitly support Israel, but whether or not they support our "values" is of course irrelevant.

Western-Ukraine wrote:I must be the only one to support it here. In this kind of geopolitical environment we can't afford to have Americans indoctrinated in anti-Israeli dogma. Israel shares American values, unlike any other ME country. And whether or not it is stated, anti-Israeli criticism is mostly inspired by anti-semitism which we don't need.

So in what way is criticising the government of Israel for purely political things anti-Semitic?

Vassenor wrote:

Western-Ukraine wrote:I must be the only one to support it here. In this kind of geopolitical environment we can't afford to have Americans indoctrinated in anti-Israeli dogma. Israel shares American values, unlike any other ME country. And whether or not it is stated, anti-Israeli criticism is mostly inspired by anti-semitism which we don't need.

So in what way is criticising the government of Israel for purely political things anti-Semitic?

It isn't anti-Semitic in itself, but holding Israel to different standards or denying Israel the concessions made to the wrongdoings of other nations is nothing more than anti-Semitism. Israel deserves criticism, but not unfairly so. Whether you agree with my sentiment of that is meaningless, but there is truth in saying that some anti-Israeli criticism is tainted by anti-Semitic intent and standards.

Western-Ukraine wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
So in what way is criticising the government of Israel for purely political things anti-Semitic?

It isn't anti-Semitic in itself, but holding Israel to different standards or denying Israel the concessions made to the wrongdoings of other nations is nothing more than anti-Semitism. Israel deserves criticism, but not unfairly so. Whether you agree with my sentiment of that is meaningless, but there is truth in saying that some anti-Israeli criticism is tainted by anti-Semitic intent and standards.

Except "holding Israel to different standards" is apparently the standard given that we let them get away with shit that we call other countries out for all the damn time.

Western-Ukraine wrote:I must be the only one to support it here. In this kind of geopolitical environment we can't afford to have Americans indoctrinated in anti-Israeli dogma. Israel shares American values, unlike any other ME country. And whether or not it is stated, anti-Israeli criticism is mostly inspired by anti-semitism which we don't need.

A position is not poisoned by who else may hold that position.

Vassenor wrote:

Western-Ukraine wrote:It isn't anti-Semitic in itself, but holding Israel to different standards or denying Israel the concessions made to the wrongdoings of other nations is nothing more than anti-Semitism. Israel deserves criticism, but not unfairly so. Whether you agree with my sentiment of that is meaningless, but there is truth in saying that some anti-Israeli criticism is tainted by anti-Semitic intent and standards.

Except "holding Israel to different standards" is apparently the standard given that we let them get away with shit that we call other countries out for all the damn time.

I've already seen Zionists being compared to Nazi collaborators in this discussion. Not to mention the all too common description of Israel as a racist apartheid state. Yet we don't hear critics of Israel calling out China or Myanmar for worse offenses, just to name those two examples. Israel is uniquely criticized among all the possible targets.

Western-Ukraine wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
Except "holding Israel to different standards" is apparently the standard given that we let them get away with shit that we call other countries out for all the damn time.

I've already seen Zionists being compared to Nazi collaborators in this discussion. Not to mention the all too common description of Israel as a racist apartheid state. Yet we don't hear critics of Israel calling out China or Myanmar for worse offenses, just to name those two examples. Israel is uniquely criticized among all the possible targets.

What do you have against Myanmar exactly? Sounds like you bought into propaganda from the same sources that claim Israel is a racist apartheid state.

Western-Ukraine wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
Except "holding Israel to different standards" is apparently the standard given that we let them get away with shit that we call other countries out for all the damn time.

I've already seen Zionists being compared to Nazi collaborators in this discussion. Not to mention the all too common description of Israel as a racist apartheid state. Yet we don't hear critics of Israel calling out China or Myanmar for worse offenses, just to name those two examples. Israel is uniquely criticized among all the possible targets.

Maybe it's because we expect them to know better?

Crockerland wrote:

Western-Ukraine wrote:I've already seen Zionists being compared to Nazi collaborators in this discussion. Not to mention the all too common description of Israel as a racist apartheid state. Yet we don't hear critics of Israel calling out China or Myanmar for worse offenses, just to name those two examples. Israel is uniquely criticized among all the possible targets.

What do you have against Myanmar exactly? Sounds like you bought into propaganda from the same sources that claim Israel is a racist apartheid state.

The Rohingya persecution. The UN has brought forward evidence of that, even accusations of ethnic cleansing and genocide. If we deny that, we might as well deny the wrongdoings of Israel too.

New Wrepland wrote:

Western-Ukraine wrote:I've already seen Zionists being compared to Nazi collaborators in this discussion. Not to mention the all too common description of Israel as a racist apartheid state. Yet we don't hear critics of Israel calling out China or Myanmar for worse offenses, just to name those two examples. Israel is uniquely criticized among all the possible targets.

Maybe it's because we expect them to know better?

Double standards, then? There is no reason we should give other countries a more lenient approach because of viewing them as ignorant or "expecting less of them".

Western-Ukraine wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
Except "holding Israel to different standards" is apparently the standard given that we let them get away with shit that we call other countries out for all the damn time.

I've already seen Zionists being compared to Nazi collaborators in this discussion. Not to mention the all too common description of Israel as a racist apartheid state. Yet we don't hear critics of Israel calling out China or Myanmar for worse offenses, just to name those two examples. Israel is uniquely criticized among all the possible targets.

Israel literally ethnically cleansed parts of Palestine. They kicked people out of their homes, based on ethnicity, and settled those areas themselves. Saying that the state that carried out those actions is racist is not anti-semitic. As for calling out China or Myanmar, the same people who call out Israel also call out those states. The difference between Israel and Myanmar/China? Israel is backed by the west, whereas, for example, the recent issues with the Rohingya was called out by pretty much everyone.

Mardla wrote:

Western-Ukraine wrote:I must be the only one to support it here. In this kind of geopolitical environment we can't afford to have Americans indoctrinated in anti-Israeli dogma. Israel shares American values, unlike any other ME country. And whether or not it is stated, anti-Israeli criticism is mostly inspired by anti-semitism which we don't need.

I tacitly support Israel, but whether or not they support our "values" is of course irrelevant.

And by "support", you like Evangelicals mean "Spoil Israel until it's time to burn it down to light the Bat Signal For Jesus".

Petrasylvania wrote:

Mardla wrote:I tacitly support Israel, but whether or not they support our "values" is of course irrelevant.

And by "support", you like Evangelicals mean "Spoil Israel until it's time to burn it down to light the Bat Signal For Jesus".

I mean Israel is a good check on Iran as long as Iran is run by a nutso government that wants to ignite the end of the world

that's fucked up the palestinian anti israel politicial groups wil be censored.

Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:that's fucked up the palestinian anti israel politicial groups wil be censored.

It's about hiding the Israeli government's shenanigans and corruptions behind the Semitic Shield.

Petrasylvania wrote:

Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:that's fucked up the palestinian anti israel politicial groups wil be censored.

It's about hiding the Israeli government's shenanigans and corruptions behind the Semitic Shield.

Shut it down?

Western-Ukraine wrote:

Crockerland wrote:What do you have against Myanmar exactly? Sounds like you bought into propaganda from the same sources that claim Israel is a racist apartheid state.

The Rohingya persecution. The UN has brought forward evidence of that, even accusations of ethnic cleansing and genocide. If we deny that, we might as well deny the wrongdoings of Israel too.

Myanmar deports less illegal Rohingya aliens than the USA deports illegal Mexican aliens, yet somehow it's ethnic cleansing and persecution when Myanmar does it but not when the USA does it, hmm...

And despite committing genocide, they are taking in over 1,000 Rohingya per week from Bangladesh? That doesn't quite add up.

The reality is, people get killed and then these crimes are simply automatically attributed to the Tatmadaw (Burmese military). There are many active insurgent and military groups active in Rakhine State and elsewhere throughout the country, such as the Arakan Army, which is at war with Myanmar's military, but also hates the Rohingya.

The thing is, the victims just see people attacking wearing camouflage and by the time they're talking to the UN or whoever else it's just "the army attacked us", so then the Tatmadaw gets blamed; Even when it is known they're not part of the Tatmadaw, nobody knows who these people are, look through articles on this and you will just see them credited as "paramilitaries" or "local militias" or "buddhist militias", never any groups or people to blame so it is just tallied as a government war crime.

Of course elements of the military do also occasionally commit crimes such as this, though in many cases when they do we have seen them actively investigated and prosecuted for doing so. Regardless, the military is essentially an armed political party, it holds seats in the legislation and for decades ruled the country in a military junta, in many ways the Burmese government is in opposition to it's own military, blaming the nation for the actions of the Tatmadaw is a bit like blaming the State of Palestine for the actions of the PFLP.

Crockerland wrote:

Western-Ukraine wrote:The Rohingya persecution. The UN has brought forward evidence of that, even accusations of ethnic cleansing and genocide. If we deny that, we might as well deny the wrongdoings of Israel too.

Myanmar deports less illegal Rohingya aliens than the USA deports illegal Mexican aliens, yet somehow it's ethnic cleansing and persecution when Myanmar does it but not when the USA does it, hmm...

And despite committing genocide, they are taking in over 1,000 Rohingya per week from Bangladesh? That doesn't quite add up.

The reality is, people get killed and then these crimes are simply automatically attributed to the Tatmadaw (Burmese military). There are many active insurgent and military groups active in Rakhine State and elsewhere throughout the country, such as the Arakan Army, which is at war with Myanmar's military, but also hates the Rohingya.

The thing is, the victims just see people attacking wearing camouflage and by the time they're talking to the UN or whoever else it's just "the army attacked us", so then the Tatmadaw gets blamed; Even when it is known they're not part of the Tatmadaw, nobody knows who these people are, look through articles on this and you will just see them credited as "paramilitaries" or "local militias" or "buddhist militias", never any groups or people to blame so it is just tallied as a government war crime.

Of course elements of the military do also occasionally commit crimes such as this, though in many cases when they do we have seen them actively investigated and prosecuted for doing so. Regardless, the military is essentially an armed political party, it holds seats in the legislation and for decades ruled the country in a military junta, in many ways the Burmese government is in opposition to it's own military, blaming the nation for the actions of the Tatmadaw is a bit like blaming the State of Palestine for the actions of the PFLP.

You mean people aren't doing that right now?

Vassenor wrote:

Western-Ukraine wrote:I must be the only one to support it here. In this kind of geopolitical environment we can't afford to have Americans indoctrinated in anti-Israeli dogma. Israel shares American values, unlike any other ME country. And whether or not it is stated, anti-Israeli criticism is mostly inspired by anti-semitism which we don't need.

So in what way is criticising the government of Israel for purely political things anti-Semitic?

Because it ain't

Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.

Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.

This is the example from Holocaust Memorial Comite HMC https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/working-definition-antisemitism
Criticizing Israeli Government is OK ifn and only if you criticise other Governments who do the same stuff.

The Glory is that SJW reject the HMC's definition claiming that it forbids all criticism of Israel which it don't.. SJW say forbidding Anti-Semitism restricts Freedom of Speech and SJW forbid Freedom of Speech all the time.

Jews are not the only Semites in the world.

This is the deliberate use of a label, to promote a claim of victimhood

for a group which in the US obviously wields great power

I assume many Jews are in opposition to this.

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:I assume many Jews are in opposition to this.

Naturally they'll all be dismissed as Self Hating.

Petrasylvania wrote:

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:I assume many Jews are in opposition to this.

Naturally they'll all be dismissed as Self Hating.

That’s what happens when someone refuses to divide everything into sections and pigeonhole others.

Pope Joan wrote:Jews are not the only Semites in the world.

This is the deliberate use of a label, to promote a claim of victimhood

for a group which in the US obviously wields great power

Pope Joan, I didn't know you were redpilled. You seem so milquetoast